I know how many people like Wikipedia on here...

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

well now a days alot of the teachers are liberal and alot of things are re-written to be fair and politically correct. Its quite sad actually.

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these are the new victors, rewriting history once again. i wonder what will be written about us in a hundred years. i suppose it depends on who the victors are by then.

i tried lookin up homosexual.. lol just to see what it'd say.. doesn't exist..

then i was going to make a page that would piss off the christians (namely the ones that think the original wiki wasn't enough) but i'd have to sign up and i don't want that to do it that much..

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Originally Posted by JaggedEdge

Sorry, I just realized I worded that a little wrong. It was about slavery, but it wasn't an ethical descion on Abe Lincolns part. He did not feel everyone was equal and that slavery was wrong. He was pissed because the South had free labor. I just get annoyed at how Lincoln is alway's portrayed with a halo over his head.

In one of his adresses he actually said something along the lines of, not caring if a single black man is freed. My g/f knows the exact quote and am having trouble finding it right now, but will post it later.

On top of the selfish reason for starting the war (not an ethical reason,) he ignored the states rights do declare themselves independent. It was a protected Constitutional right at the time, which he completely ignored. Today only Texas still holds the right to withdraw from the United States.

He is just one of those people in history that annoys the crap out of me. The fact everyone teaches pretty things about him pisses me off. He is this American hero when really all he did was start an unconstitutinal war...

Slavery being abolished, was not his main reason for the war though.

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I agree with you up until the last sentence. Slavery was his main reason for the war. As soon as the South attacked, he responded. The stimuli for the South attacking was slavery.

The way I understand it, the Civil War was fought over a number of different things, slavery being one of the major reasons. But Lincoln didn't really care about freeing the current slaves at first, he was a Free Soiler, the group which merely opposed the expansion of slavery. After the war began anti-slavery groups began working to make abolition a war goal.

It's funny, you all say you learned in grade school that the war was fought over Slavery as an example of bias, at my grade school we learned that slavery wasn't a factor at all... I'm dead serious.

And Rebgirl, I know all Republicans aren't like this, I didn't mean to imbue an anti-Republican tone into this thread. My former Congressman gone Bush's Cabinet - Rob Portman - was awesome. However, I'd be careful, the RNC is becoming steadily more evangelical and polarized, and they would NOT take kindly to your pot smoking '>>

yeah Bob I know, I dont really agree with much of any party really except the libertarian party however its the lesser of two evils for me, I dont like either but I like the republicans more. Im pretty liberal socialy like gay marriage, pot, abortion and religion but im conservative with guns, capitalism, anti welfare and war.

Wikipedia=life.....

I enjoy the fact that ...and this is in general...
purely because I am not one who believes in the Christian faith,
automatically I am anti-Christian.

This is not the case.

In fact, I've had Christian girlfriends, many Christian friends...
I went to catholic school for three years, and that never bothered me
(aside from some of the things mentioned in religion class I disagreed with).

And yet I, purely a philosopher, am labeled as anti-Christian or in more extreme cases a Satanist.

They wonder why people think they're nuts? Maybe if you stopped telling me I was evil,
I'd take you a little more seriously.

And Wikipedia is written by just about anyone who can access the internet.
It's guidelines demand that while stating facts and theories, politically
correct terminology that is generally approved by the collective majority must be used.

Fucking tards...

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

yeah Bob I know, I dont really agree with much of any party really except the libertarian party however its the lesser of two evils for me, I dont like either but I like the republicans more. Im pretty liberal socialy like gay marriage, pot, abortion and religion but im conservative with guns, capitalism, anti welfare and war.

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Holy crap, you share almost the exact same beliefs I do <<' Almost. That's amazing. Yea, I too, identify best with the libertarian party, at least socially-wise. Can't catch their drift on economics though.

I consider myself an independent moderate really. The main reason I dislike the Republican party is the evangelical wing of it. I consider both major parties right-wing though, both have authoritarian taints in their own ways.

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

yeah Bob I know, I dont really agree with much of any party really except the libertarian party however its the lesser of two evils for me, I dont like either but I like the republicans more. Im pretty liberal socialy like gay marriage, pot, abortion and religion but im conservative with guns, capitalism, anti welfare and war.

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Damn, I'm the same way on all those issues. I'm registered republican because I usually find the Republican canidate more worthy of my vote. I consider myself middle of the road though.

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Originally Posted by Bob the Awesome

The way I understand it, the Civil War was fought over a number of different things, slavery being one of the major reasons. But Lincoln didn't really care about freeing the current slaves at first, he was a Free Soiler, the group which merely opposed the expansion of slavery. After the war began anti-slavery groups began working to make abolition a war goal.

It's funny, you all say you learned in grade school that the war was fought over Slavery as an example of bias, at my grade school we learned that slavery wasn't a factor at all... I'm dead serious.

And Rebgirl, I know all Republicans aren't like this, I didn't mean to imbue an anti-Republican tone into this thread. My former Congressman gone Bush's Cabinet - Rob Portman - was awesome. However, I'd be careful, the RNC is becoming steadily more evangelical and polarized, and they would NOT take kindly to your pot smoking '>>

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Yeah there were many reasons, but slavery WAS the main reason. I learned the same thing as you in grade school. Not until I went to college for my bachelor's degree did I understand how it really went down. Lincoln gets way too much credit for his opposition to slavery... he wasn't the same kind of activist as others of the time like William Lloyd Garrison. He was the one that said regarding Lincoln that he "had not a drop of anti-slavery blood in his veins."