The Miracle of Death

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Originally Posted by hazetwostep

i will double check this in my physics class (it starts in a few hours) but i think there is a clause in the conservation of energy that states it is refering to natural means b/c i think energy can be destroyed through certain nuclear means. i will double check and write back...

also, i read a journal and discussed it in a class about some mysterious loss of energy. what they did was create a laser beam with a thickness of only one electron (mad thin obviously). they then shot this laser through a tiny hole (not much bigger than one electron) and measured the energy coming through on the other side and it did not add up to the amount of energy being dispensed from the laser originally. they could not find where the loss of energy was occuring though.

this stemmed into many different theories including energy being lost into alternate universes and what not as they could not just conclude that it disappeared (from the law of conservation of energy) since no unnatural means were being used.

i will write back tonight after class... over a nice HOOT

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Even if the energy did go to an alternate universe it would still exist in that universe. If one electron of our universe entered into another universe, than an electron from that universe would enter ours, but where would it enter? It could be quadrillions of light years away for all we know. Maybe if energy is destroyed an equal amount of energy goes into expanding our ever growing universe. I mean if the universe keeps expanding it has to have some form of matter or energy that is created as it expands right?

i figure if energy can be destroyed, it simply gets replaced with mass, and vice versa.

without death there is no birth.

death makes life appreciated.

you appreciate life.
make babies.
raise them right to carry on and live.
you die.
they carry on.
and so on.


you have a much wider effect on people than youd believe. a world where Einstein lived is MUCH MUCH MUCH more different than a world where he didnt live.


same as you.

Death came to man in the garden of Eden. We ate of the tree with the knowledge of good and evil, and now we need to eat of the tree of life. Jesus is the tree of life. The day of disobedience brought mortality unto all men.
The next time we pop up, the tempter will have been removed. Nothing offensive can enter. See you on the other side. :pimp:

RE-INCARNATED, better than before.

"And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:"

Jesus is not the tree of life, white people destroyed the tree of life eons ago.


all that is left is the great lakes, where the roots dug deep.


the tree of life bore every vegetable, fruit, flower, and herb in abundance.


Jesus isnt a tree, but if he were, he would be the tree of faith.

This is for "PassThatShit" It is biblical talk, so if this stuff offends, then don't even bother reading. Please make no accusations PTS, I'm simply giving some food for thought, and a different perspective than what you're accustomed to! :cool:


I think a spiritual death came in the garden of eden and that death is what cast us out. We never left the garden physically, only in spirit...

I believe we can re-enter in this lifetime, on this earth if we can get past that which seperates us from the garden. When we have rid ourselves of our sins on a spiritual level, or once we quit harboring damaging spirits, I believe that passage back is granted. These are spirits of hate, greed, jealousy, anger, bitterness, resentment, envy, selfish pride, etc...

About the tree of knowledge G-d said "Thou shalt surly die" We must die to self to enter into eden again, we must die to our carnal nature, and then we have unfettered access to the tree of life. "Those who will lose thier life for my sake shall find it" To lose your life for Christ's sake simply means to lose that part of you that destroys the inner man, and live in the light of love like Christ did. Christ is not the tree, but rather he made the way to the tree accessible, and known.

Thorns and thistles it is until we die to our old selves, and re-enter the garden on a spiritual level. The tree of life is simply "life" as we know it, or percieve it, or experince it.

According to scripture, Christ paved our way, and payed the price so we might enter the kingdom of heaven on earth."Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is is heaven" "Behold, the kingdom of heaven is at hand"

Eden (heaven on earth) is here now it always has been, but our hearts won't let us see it, or realize it due to our spiritual sins. "The wages of sin are death" (Spiritualy) We are spiritualy dead, and must die again to our anger, bitterness, resentment, jealousy, selfish pride, envy, etc. and be born again into a new understanding, "unless you be born again, you shall in no wise enter the kingdom of heaven" once you have been born again in spirit, then the veil will be lifted from your eyes and you will see this kingdom (World) for what it is..."paradise"

The proper state of consiousness, or perception, understanding and heart are the elements that will allow us to see its majesty in this lifetime, and the result of such a paradigm shift is peace, comfort, and serenity even during times of great hardship.

A surrender to G-d, or (Love) is our only hope according to scripture, and an understanding that Christ paved the way through his life, teachings, and sacrifice. He is the example, and the light that shines in the darkness. None come to the father but by him, and that simply means that what he did on earth as a human, is what we must do also, which is to surrender to G-d who is love. Embrace him (love) and you shall be set free from the burdens we place on self! Heaven is a state of mind; be it eternal or not.

Sorry for the ramble. I like speaking with PassThatShit about this stuff. There aren't many willing to speak out on Christ's behalf, and I admire PTS for his courage, and boldness among so many non believers.


Junk~


btw, I think we were always mortal beings, (in a physical sense) PTS show me in the Bible where it tells us that we were infact imortal in the beginning.

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Sorry for the ramble. I like speaking with PassThatShit about this stuff. There aren't many willing to speak out on Christ's behalf, and I admire PTS for his courage, and boldness among so many non believers.
Junk~


Very Well said Junk. I also am encouraged by PTS words of truth.

Yeah, PTS is alright in my book. Besides, the man has one hell of a "Green Thumb", lol! :thumbsup:

We rarely agree on religios issues, but that's part of the fun, isn't it?


Junk~

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Originally Posted by JunkYard

Sorry for the ramble. I like speaking with PassThatShit about this stuff. There aren't many willing to speak out on Christ's behalf, and I admire PTS for his courage, and boldness among so many non believers.
Junk~


Very Well said Junk. I also am encouraged by PTS words of truth.

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i think the problem with christianity is that people have been speaking on christ's behalf for far too long. it seems that many christian people have forgot the saying "love your neighbor as you love yourself" in favor of "discriminate against homosexuals and persons who get abortions". let's start listening to jesus christ himself and fuck everybody else. they just try.

All some pretty cool ideas you guys have stated. Unfortunately I really don't think there is anything :( its sad to think about. But nothing adds up. I always think what seperates something from having a form of afterlife and what not. It always seems to be consciousness. But where is the line drawn form ants not having any to possibly a smart dolphin or monkey ( lol i know it sounds stupid). I always find it hard to believe there is a line where it cuts off, which makes i t hard for me to believe in any form of afterlife. but I hope im wrong b/c its depressing to think that there is nothing after this.

edit: Oh yeah i guess kinda like what I think happens, is like what happens before your born, nothing. I figured that would help explain it. Also I thougth i heard somewhere energy can be destroyed, i dont have time to check where i saw that. Maybe later, or someone else can.