Iraq on the right path

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Originally Posted by medicinal

It used to be that Bagdad had all the electrical power/clean water/sewer systems but that has changed. These services are being equally divided throughout Iraq. There is also the restoration of the wetlands in the south. A new medical training hospital in Najaf. There are many, many improvements that you don't see on the ol' gloom and doom tube. BTW, is not the "doom Tube" the way the majority of Americans get their news?

Newsweek has just hailed the emergence of a booming market economy in Iraq as "the mother of all surprises," noting that "Iraqis are more optimistic about the future than most Americans are." The reason, of course, is that Iraqis know what is going on in their country while Americans are fed a diet of exclusively negative reporting from Iraq.
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That may be all good and well, but the whole deal in Iraq rests on Bagdad where approx. 10 million Iraqis are in complete fear for their lives every day. The only safe area is the green zone and only connected Iraqis and US puppeteers live and work there. Do you and your Bush friends really believe 20-30 thousand more troops will straighten out this mess,

MY Bush friends....LOL. I don't care if it were a Dem or Rep in office, we need to get this done and I'm glad we did what we did in the first place. LOL.....one of my "Bush" friends is stopping in later; I'll ask her.:D

I and most other Americans really see this as a feeble attempt for Bush to save face, with no regard for our soldiers lives. This escalation will surely be met with increased violence. Bagdad is roughly the size of Los Angeles, If the majority of the population of LA were to uprise and go on a killing spree, do you think 30-50 thousand troops in the streets would Quell it, were talking millions of pissed off Iraqis. I'll tell you what. I'll venture to say this debacle will cost a thousand more American lives, wanna Bet!

I don't see the majority of Bagdad residents being involved. If that were the case we'd see where thousands were killed in a days time. You got the Sunni's resting right by Sadr City which was completely beat up by Saddam and Sons. MOST of the people want to get this over and done. People like Al-Sadr, Al-Quada, and the ex-Bathists arent the only residents.

I'm really not for sending anymore troops. Our mission is to secure the Gov., which we can do right now.......and to train THEIR troops to take over security, which is also being done.

BTW, while we're building hospitals in Iraq, they're shutting down hospitals over here due to the influx of illegal aliens, Maybe we should get our priorities in order! What about re-building our crumbling infrastructure, That trillion dollars could have done a lot of good right here in the good old USA!

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LOL........Now thats another debate that I just kind of think that maybe we are on the same page. SCAREY isn't it!!:stoned: Cost of Illegals and what measures to take.

I'm all for rebuilding our infrustucture but once again WE would have to start, in quite a few cases, to clean out our insurgent groups. Gang membership is up over 1 million. Time to kick some Gang Bang ass with the National Guard.......after Iraq these folk will seem like cheap ass punks to these soldiers.

There are hospital system that are hurting and then there are the types like the Mayo system which is reaping the benifits/ along with it's crooked suppliers. I got some first hand knowledge on that shit!!:mad: Next time you go to an E.R. take a look at the little swivel chair behind the counter.......$450!! Hospital grade.......I'd sit that pretty little nurses ass in a vibrating lazy Boy for that cost!!

Iraq, like Iran is something that needed to be dealt with and in Irans case, will probably have to be dealt with........but thats another thread. :D

NOW, answer me this riddle.... YOU have just been elected; President medicinal, how would YOU deal with Iraq today?:stoned:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

NOW, answer me this riddle.... YOU have just been elected; President medicinal, how would YOU deal with Iraq today? Funny you should ask as I actually have a plan! I'd send every ship and airplane to Kuwait and begin the Total migration out, I'd say to the Iraqi "government" good luck, you've had 2 years to deal with your bullshit, Adios, and BTW there will be no further funds coming your way, and also, The only oil leaving the port will be going to America to repay the money spent here @ 20.00 per barrel, 10.00 to go to the repay the debt fund, and a maximum 10.00 profit for oil companies this savings would be passed on to the consumer by a presidential Mandate, Now to complete the scenario, I would blow up all weapons catches in the country and leave them with only Ak47s. I would then issue an American Fatwa to surrounding countries to stay the fuck out of Iraq or be dealt with on a grand scale, can you say vaporize! Now would this work, who knows, but Americans would not be dying in a foriegn land And our national debt might get a breather. I can see no good coming from staying, even if we were to "Win", we've still lost plenty! Aufweidersein Iraq!

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Originally Posted by medicinal

NOW, answer me this riddle.... YOU have just been elected; President medicinal, how would YOU deal with Iraq today? Funny you should ask as I actually have a plan! I'd send every ship and airplane to Kuwait and begin the Total migration out, I'd say to the Iraqi "government" good luck, you've had 2 years to deal with your bullshit, Adios, and BTW there will be no further funds coming your way, and also, The only oil leaving the port will be going to America to repay the money spent here @ 20.00 per barrel, 10.00 to go to the repay the debt fund, and a maximum 10.00 profit for oil companies this savings would be passed on to the consumer by a presidential Mandate,

OUCH! The U.S. did nothing but invade Iraq for its oil. Look at what this neo-con is doing...hell, Bush was better. Not me dude, read the posts in here.

Now to complete the scenario, I would blow up all weapons catches in the country and leave them with only Ak47s. I would then issue an American Fatwa to surrounding countries to stay the fuck out of Iraq or be dealt with on a grand scale, can you say vaporize!

Now you have basically declared war on Syria, and Iran. Don't get me wrong, I think this should have been stated in the beginning and there should have been action taken to the extent your talking about.

Now would this work, who knows, but Americans would not be dying in a foriegn land And our national debt might get a breather. I can see no good coming from staying, even if we were to "Win", we've still lost plenty! Aufweidersein Iraq!

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LOL.....If I EVER referred to you as a tree hugger my friend you have my apologies!!! We may feel different about the Iraq situation but we do see eye to eye on how to handle "other" situations.

LMAO......there's a neo-con in you just begging to be released to the wild! "can you say vaporize!".......I damn near spit out my soda on that one.........CLASSIC!:stoned:

Have a VERY good one!:jointsmile:

LMAO......there's a neo-con in you just begging to be released to the wild! "can you say vaporize!".......I damn near spit out my soda on that one.........CLASSIC! Nope, no Neocon here. I think the threat would be sufficient. We've already shown we cant win a war on the ground, they just keep coming. Maybe with this knowledge, the syrians and Iranians would stay out of there. It's going to become a mulla operated society anyway, maybe we should try talk! Just an Idea. Here's a Quote from Joe Biden:"I have reached the tentative conclusion that a significant portion of this administration, maybe even including the vice president, believes Iraq is lost. They have no answer to deal with how badly they have screwed it up. I am not being facetious now. Therefore, the best thing to do is keep it from totally collapsing on your watch and hand it off to the next guy -- literally, not figuratively." Two more years of this insanity unless the Democrats close the purse strings!BTW, I think we agree on the illegals, and maybe even border security Hell I'll even through in the federal reserve and Income tax!

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Originally Posted by medicinal

"I have reached the tentative conclusion that a significant portion of this administration, maybe even including the vice president, believes Iraq is lost.

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What kind of quote is that? Tentative conclusion? Significant portion? Maybe even? How vague can we get? The truth is, nobody really knows whats going on apart from what the media tells us. In my experience, the media is biased towards the sensational... meaning we get a lot of negative news that is fueling the hatred for this war.

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Originally Posted by Shermania

What I think is funny, is that none of you have actually been to Iraq... You guys are all going off what the media is telling you. Have any of you actually seen for yourselves what it is like in Iraq?

There is a term for people like you. "arm chair quarterbacks"

I don't think anyone is trying to say that everything is awesome in Iraq, but 99% of the time your only going to see the bad shit. It makes good news. How many times have you seen a fourth grader on the news because they got an "A" in math....??? How many times have you seen a fourth grader on the news because he brought a gun to school???? About every night on the news. Bad news sells. It's not necessarily Left or Right, but it sells. T.V. companies are a business, they are trying to make money. Unfortunately this shapes American minds.

Most of the terrorist in Iraq right now are actually Not from Iraq, so to say that the Iraqi people are fighting us troops is misguided. Listen, we can either fight those terrorists over there or over here.

I had a couple of my BEST friends die in Iraq. Guys in my platoon. At least they had a fighting chance. They were equipped, trained and felt like they were doing the world a good service. The innocent people who die in Any terrorist atack DON"T EVEN KNOW THEY ARE ABOUT TO DIE!!! How fair is that?

Terrorism is not going away... Its been around for thousands of years. Only within the last 40 years have they had the means to reach out and touch Americans. And they have. We can sit back and absorb blow after blow or we can try to do something about it. Take the fight to them. Iraq is a fucking mess. No doubt about it. But we can fight it here in America or there in the lions den.

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you are 100% right. terrorism is alive and well throughout the world, including being taught and unleashed right here in america @ the school of the americas in georgia.

The "war on terror" is much like the "war on drugs". They are both infinite and can basically turn good citizens into criminals.

Neither can be 'won", but are used to manipulate the minds of the public for political reasons. The only people benefiting from these "wars" are the very very wealthy. I mean, they are both an invention of the wealthy elite power structures hell bent of ruling the planet, This is where the nwo comes in.
Europe is now using the , euro, and many countries in europe are binded by it.
We now see plans to make the usa , canada, and south america, dwarfed into one "country/zone" This makes things much less complicated for those trying to control world markets, populations, and the money systems used.
The peso? obsolete
The dinar ? obsolete
etc etc etc
all world currencies, except the dollar and the euro will eventually be worthless. The wto, nwo, the drug war, the oil wars, the american and european governments, along with the roman catholic church, imo, are the real threats to the planet and those who call it home. Its about domination and control. It always has been , like you pointed out.
If you think the oil wars and drug wars are deadly and invasive, wait till the water wars come. Hopefully i'll be dead and gone, but i fear for the planets future inhabitants. People say ///"do you really think there will be a water war?" Look at the southwest and the west. It was all oceans at one point, and now dry as a bone.
Our watertables are being destroyed and depleted and contaminated for personal wealth by, oil, chemical companies, soda pop companies, beer, and other corporate interests. Fricken people are now using up gasoline to have water delivered to them!!!! turn on your fucking faucets folks!!!!
The earth wont beable to sustain another country like america. Trees dont grow that fast.
Record heat is a fever of a dying planet. The earth is sick. Its animals getting sicker. Oceans are dying. Reefs are dying. Birds are falling out of the sky dead. Guess who's next?
But hey, at least we have ipods.

dai*ma:stoned:

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Originally Posted by trem0lo

What kind of quote is that? Tentative conclusion? Significant portion? Maybe even? How vague can we get? The truth is, nobody really knows whats going on apart from what the media tells us. In my experience, the media is biased towards the sensational... meaning we get a lot of negative news that is fueling the hatred for this war.

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Does anyone like this war except CEOs of Haliburton and Oil companies. The GIs may say they are for the War, But having been there done that I know what they really think. They hate it and want to come home, to a man, every one of them. They can't speak out against the war as it is considered treason. The rules for GIs are different than for us, you aren't allowed to speak bad against your superiors or the job you have been given. You are a puppet of your superiors, and if they tell you to say the war is going well and you think you are helping the Iraqi people, then that is what you say or you end up in the stockade. I'll guarantee you not one soldier wants to walk down an Iraqi street being nothing but a target for IEDs and snipers, you'd have to be insane to want that. When they say the war is going well, they mean for the war profiteers, and that my friend is the fucking truth!!

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Originally Posted by medicinal

[COLOR="Blue"]Does anyone like this war except CEOs of Haliburton and Oil companies.

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Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon to name a few.

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Originally Posted by trem0lo

What kind of quote is that? Tentative conclusion? Significant portion? Maybe even? How vague can we get? The truth is, nobody really knows whats going on apart from what the media tells us. In my experience, the media is biased towards the sensational... meaning we get a lot of negative news that is fueling the hatred for this war.

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I think it was pretty self explanatary. The Administration knows all is lost, but rather than concede that fact, they'll just stay the course and hand it off to the next president. Every sane solution to the war said start withdrawing troops and the Idiot is trying to send in more. Can you say "Viet Nam"~

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Me and Alice Cooper are glad your not scared.:D
Short, fat, bald.........LOL..........6'3", not short.........255#, new crop gave me a major case of the munchies but should be back down to 245 in no time. Bald....LOL.....longer hair and thinning on top. Some call it migration, others thigh burns.:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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I think maybe alice wanted to scare people, or at least parents. And wouldn't thigh burns be on the sides of your head?:D