Rummy got his quotes from The Beatles?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
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Rummy got his quotes from The Beatles?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
This lie was put to bed 20 years ago, even the New York Times did a story saying this never happenedQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
Again, all of this has been debunked years ago. I'm surprised that in all your "RESEARCH" that that part of the story slipped by you.Quote:
According to classified Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) cables between the DEA in Washington and Scotland Yard in London, the ship, the SS Poet, may have been involved in a hijacking and the subsequent swapping U.S. cargo for Iranian heroin but that may have been a crafty cover story to throw off investigators.
In early 1981, the Camden (NJ) Courier-Post obtained copies of the DEA cables and a statement from a high-level source stating that the Poet's crew was taken hostage by Iran and that the hijacking of the ship was carried out by members of the Gambino crime family in New York. The disappearance of the Poet came at the same time 52 U.S. embassy hostages were being held in Iran. During the 1980 election campaign, George H. W. Bush and Reagan campaign manager Bill Casey reportedly traveled to Paris to meet with representatives of the Khomeini regime and offered them weapons if they agreed to hold the U.S. hostages until after the November election. The Iranians agreed to do so and the hostages were released on January 20, 1981, as Reagan was being inaugurated. At about the same time, the DEA cables showing a link between the Poet's disappearance and an illegal U.S.-Iran transactions involving the mob were released to the Courier Post.[/align]
And this proves Bush (41) sold weapons to IRAN how ?Quote:
then there is the weapons he sold to Saddam....
A review of thousands of declassified government documents and interviews with former policymakers shows that U.S. intelligence and logistical support played a crucial role in shoring up Iraqi defenses against the "human wave" attacks by suicidal Iranian troops. The administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush authorized the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications, including poisonous chemicals and deadly biological viruses, such as anthrax and bubonic plague.
Again, it proves Bush (41) sold weapons to IRAN how ?Quote:
But I am not suprised I mean Bush's grandfather was actually CHARGED by the US government with treason for selling arms to Hitler...it seems the fruit does not fall far from the tree...
President George Walker Bushâ??s grandfather (Prescott Bush) and great grandfather (George Herbert Walker) were among Wall Streetâ??s ultra-right wing elite. Before WWII, they were among the key players who coordinated the flow of investments from American multimillionaires into Germany. They profited by helping to coordinate the American financing behind Hitlerâ??s rise to power. During the war, they even profited from companies that armed the Nazi war machine and used slave labour at Auschwitz. Then, after the war, Prescott Bush was instrumental in helping to launder Nazi loot for Fritz Thyssen, who was one Hitlerâ??s earliest and richest industrialist backers.
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/53-index.html
His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.
Try google.com, the truth is Bush (41) never sold weapons to "Iran" as VP or President.Quote:
SO PLEASE OZARK if you want to say I am wrong that is fine but you need to back up what you are saying... simply saying its not true won't cut it. Read the facts then state your opinion WITH LINKS. Otherwise your opinion isn't worth shit.
Thanks
Cat
Casper Wienburger and Oliver North, were running Iran-Contra.
were not going to get rid of insurgency.. its not like the guys killing americans are part of a military we are going to wipe out.. this war is going to keep on going.. those insurgents are regular people like you and me... defending there country..
think about when we say shit like "man if us ever got invaded id bunker up in my house and snipe mother fuckers and shit" etc.. well we are invading there hometown, using 50 cals and shooting all over the place were bullets and bombs hit innocent civilians every day...
most of the insurgents have lost there families and are on the last straw and are just like fuck it and kill themselfs and take out as many us troops as they can..
i respect the middle east and the people over there. we need to get the fuck out and let there country be there country
dont get me wrong, they have bad guys like algayda and whatnot.. but a lot of the killings are from guys like that
Really Ozark it is you that lacks research skills....NEWS FLASH its been resurrected! Of course it was buried I guess you missed the part where I said little Bush has done his best to hide the evidence....
Why would he do that Ozark? Why hide the records? hmmmmm
Iran/contra: 20 years later and what it means
2007-01-02 <---- you might want to note the date of this article
http://www.athensnews.com/issue/arti...story_id=26944
Again you say what I am posting is a lie but you are not posting any proof as to why you feel it is. It has not been debunked because it is true.
You are telling me you do not believe Bush was involved in the Iran contra scandal?
Then you really are brain washed...what about Abrams was that "debunked" as well? Man I want one of those debunking machines!!
Elliott Abrams, an assistant secretary of state under Reagan, pleaded guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding evidence from Congress (i.e., lying) over his role in the Iran-Contra affair. Bush I pardoned him; Bush II has appointed him to the National SecurityCouncil as director of its office for democracy, human rights and international operations.
Gee I wonder why he was pardoned? hmmmmmm
Maybe you should review tell me why did congress pass the Boland amendment, which cut off most military aid to the Contras?
Why did the Reagan administration circumvented Congress and popular outrage by waging a covert war and raising money for the Contras from private and foreign sources. One of the "neat ideas" Oliver North and his cronies concocted was to funnel profits to the Contras from the secret sale of U.S. arms to Iran--which was under embargo after seizing Americans as hostages. The discovery of this and other illegal schemes is what led to the Iran-Contra scandal,
Now who was vice president THEN?? Debunk that.
the New York Times finally got around to addressing the reappearance of so many Iran-Contra figures in the administration. A piece by Christopher Marquis led with an insider description of some of the Iran-Contra cold warriors clustered at a party, smirking over the controversy their nominations have raised and dismissing concerns over their suitability as "the other sideâ?¦still fighting the old battles."
That is NOT debunking.
And I posted the FACT that Bush sr. sold WMDs to Saddam and the Fact that Bush's grandfather sold weapons to hitler to show a pattern in the Bush family. I guess that part escaped you. I notice you did not dispute either...
Bush sr. sold weapons to Iran...it is the truth. You have yet to post anything proving me wrong. Again put up or shutup I don't like being called a liar.
This is the worst president in a hundred years and maybe ever! G.W. Bush - Our Third Worst President
Ranking presidents, especially the worst, can be done by a number of different criteria. If you look at how unqualified they are, Harding would probably top (or is it bottom) the list. But I think the need for competency is a major criteria. In other words, how bad did a president's ineptitude hurt the U.S.
For Harding and many others, they did not have the opportunity to seriously damage the country, no matter how inept they were. If not for 9/11 G.W. Bush would have probably gone down on the lower end of the list (mainly for his damage to the economy), but not near the bottom.
The Worst
Without question this is Buchanan. Maybe no one could stop the Civil War at that point - both sides were hardening in their positions. But his behind the scenes support for the Dred Scott decision, as well as many other actions, poured aviation fuel on the fire. And he made no effort to stop secession or actively protect federal supplies. This time, and Washington to Jefferson were the two times the country could have disintegrated. With Washington, Adams, and Jefferson we had statesmen who while not perfect, did a superb job of keeping the country together. With Buchanan we had someone who helped push the country from disagreement to war.
This is a closer call but I think Hoover was clearly worse than G.W. Bush. The depression could have led to almost anything. Probably not a breakup of the country, but we could have easily gone down the road of fascism, communism, or some unique form of populism. In any of these cases, it would have almost certainly meant a harder life for the people in this country and who knows what would have happened in WWII. Hoover was completely unwilling to realize that the depression was so unprecedented that it required trying new things. (In this way he is much like Bush in his unwillingness to learn.)
G.W. Bush is clearly third. I cannot think of another president (other than the two above) that has done anywhere near as much damage to this country. And unlike the first two, his ineptitude has damaged many other countries - although that may be more a function of the global economy. (And Smoot-Hawley under Hoover did help worsen the global depression). Taking away the political differences I have with Bush and concentrating just on his competence we have:
He has trashed the U.S. economy. The economy has not grown because of his economic program, but in spite of it. Clinton left him the biggest surplus in history and he has turned it into a series of ever larger record deficits. He has made fixed entitlements worse with his drug plan while failing to address the biggest problems with existing entitlements (medicare & medicaid) and with social security had a proposal that would have put people more at risk while increasing cost. It's a sad day when the Democrats are the party of fiscal sanity.
He has heavily damaged the moral standing of the U.S. with the war in Iraq. Not quite as much as Vietnam, but close. And much of this stems not from the decision to attack, but the unbelievable gross incompetence with which the wars was prosecuted. Standing by as the entire country was looted - with it all in living color on everyone's TV. Not realizing that the Abu Ghraib torture needed to be addressed quickly and with people at the very top fired was a disaster across the world.
He has left this country defenseless. The Katrina disaster was the one we have faced so far. But the lack of security for chemical plants, ports, the food supply - in fact everything. Like everything else in his administration, politics determined funding so Wyoming got a ton of money and countries with lots of targets, which tend to be Democratic, got almost nothing. We will be attacked, there will be more natural disasters, and Bush has done nothing to stop it.
He has violated the civil rights which is one of the core principals of what makes America Amercia. When citizens can be spied upon and imprisoned at the whim of the president, then we are no longer a democracy. We are a dictatorship. Granted we are not in a Stalinist police state. But he has gone beyond a balance of power to say he as President can do anything he wants to do and the only limit on his actions is his own self restraint.
He has taken the political sphere and pushed it to the bottom. Granted he has had lots of help here and it started with the Republican assault on Clinton. But Bush/Cheney/Rove have done their best to make our political system as divided as possible. And those Democrats who do reach out tend to get screwed so bad, that there is no second time.
He has shown an incredible inability to learn from his mistakes. Reagan & Clinton were masters at evolving their efforts as they learned on the job. They weren't perfect, but they improved on the job. The job of president requires that there be a constant effort to improve based on learning what works and what doesn't. Bush for whatever reason (his faith, an overprotective mother, a staff that won't tell him things aren't perfect) - seems totally incapable of learning. In his world there are no mistakes.
I could go on but I don't see any need to list out more. History will speak, first in 10 - 20 years, and then with more authority in 50 - 100 years. And when it does, G.W. Bush will go down as one of our worst presidents. The only questions is will he be 3rd worst. I will admit I might be wrong and he will turn out to be worse than Buchanan. Only time will tell.
The Best
This is easy - Washington, Lincoln, and Roosevelt (FDR) in chronological order. Close seconds - Adams (1st), Jefferson, Jackson, Roosevelt (Teddy), & Truman. As to anyone post-Kennedy, it's too soon to say. And yes, Wilson is purposely left off this list.
It means that some of people who gave testimony are still alive, and parts of whats on the record is still classified, there is something that they don't want the Iranians to know (like you our friends are, who spied for us in Iran etc.) the US Archives receives requests and postpones releasing Classified material everyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
The people wrote your article know this, and they assumed (correctly) that you wouldn't. So they could get away manipulating you into believing this.
Ted Kennedy demanded that the US Archives wait 75 years before releasing all its files on the JFK shooting, What do you think he's hiding ?
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Again you say what I am posting is a lie but you are not posting any proof as to why you feel it is. It has not been debunked because it is true.
You are telling me you do not believe Bush was involved in the Iran contra scandal?
There are no web sites for obvious reasons that say "Bush41 didn't sell weapons to Iran" I also couldn't find a web site that said "Blue Cat didn't sell weapons to the Iranians" Hmmmm.
yes, all six of them were pardoned, All six never denied what they did because they all believed it was legal, there was no coverup then or know, none of them ever said Bush was part of it.Quote:
Then you really are brain washed...what about Abrams was that "debunked" as well? Man I want one of those debunking machines!!
Elliott Abrams, an assistant secretary of state under Reagan, pleaded guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding evidence from Congress (i.e., lying) over his role in the Iran-Contra affair. Bush I pardoned him; Bush II has appointed him to the National SecurityCouncil as director of its office for democracy, human rights and international operations.
Explaining those pardons, Bush said the "common denominator of their motivation -- whether their actions were right or wrong -- was patriotism." They did not profit or seek to profit from their conduct, Bush said, adding that all five "have already paid a price -- in depleted savings, lost careers, anguished families -- grossly disproportionate to any misdeeds or errors of judgment they may have committed."Quote:
Gee I wonder why he was pardoned? hmmmmmm
Yes, after 6 months of hearings in a DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED CONGRESSQuote:
Maybe you should review tell me why did congress pass the Boland amendment, which cut off most military aid to the Contras?
Why did the Reagan administration circumvented Congress and popular outrage by waging a covert war and raising money for the Contras from private and foreign sources. One of the "neat ideas" Oliver North and his cronies concocted was to funnel profits to the Contras from the secret sale of U.S. arms to Iran--which was under embargo after seizing Americans as hostages. The discovery of this and other illegal schemes is what led to the Iran-Contra scandal,
Now who was vice president THEN?? Debunk that.
Bush was not accused of anything, He wasn't even named as an "unindicted co-conspirator" the Government can name you and not have to prove anything. The entire US Government missed it, but you know the truth.
It didn't escape me, you repeat this nonsense because you think (selling weapons) it's part of his DNA ?Quote:
Fact that Bush's grandfather sold weapons to hitler to show a pattern in the Bush family. I guess that part escaped you. I notice you did not dispute either...
600,000 dead IRAQI civilians. Millions of lives devastated.
War lords are being appointed by the gov't in power in Iraq. Every Iraqi currently has AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO BE KILLED.
btw, i saw the REAL current state of Iraq from a special on FREE SPEECH TV (on dish network)
What we need to do is send in the fuckin Marines to kick down every door like they did in Fallujah in 2004. In 2 months, the Marines turned Fallujah into one of the safest cities in Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake Martinez
ya along with the massacre they left behind