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i dont believe global warming in the way its cried abt... i mean patterns change, the earth goes thro its turns with or with out ppl.... any way like in the 70s scientists thought that there was global cooling heading for the next ice age... they just cant decide :/
This shouldn’t be considered a debate. I know quite a bit about it so I’ll lay it out for ya’ll because it’s very obvious that most people hve no clue what its about.
(hey I didn’t either till I started reading books)
The first and most important thing, Climate change and Global warming are different things!!!!
I’ll break it down.
Greenhouse gasses cause global warming, and global warming causes climate change.
CO2 is the most important greenhouse gas but there are others (methane, nitrous oxide, water vapor, CFC’s …)
Most molecules in the atmosphere (oxygen, nitrogen and argon make up 99.95) allow practically all light waves to pass through them. Greenhouse gasses are gasses that do no allow light to pass though well (at certain wave lengths). What they do is change the light energy to heat energy.
CO2 is so important because it has such a small concentration in the atmosphere but a huge effect. Did you know that lowering the CO2 to 165 parts per million would cause an ice age? This is because there wouldn’t be enough CO2 to keep the planet warm.
Right now CO2 is around 350 ish ppm. So what do you think would happen as it increases? The planet will warm--- global warming.
Global warming is occurring there is no debate. People have been finding evidence of global warming and suggesting it’s relation to fossil fuels for over 50 years!
Climate change is much more complicated. There is some debate around climate change.
We all must realize that science is never 100% sure and thus there not 100% sure about climate change. But, does this uncertainty change our actions in other situations? No!
When you go to the hospital the doctor tells you that you might die from an injury unless he operates. Well should he operate? How many people would wait until you die (the only time your sure) to decide? No one.
The same goes for countless other situations. When the bad outcome is sever (death, climate change) and we are not 100% sure we still act and we should act.
The only resistance to climate change isn’t from scientists it is from partisan groups like oil companies. They run ads in the USA misleading the public. This is the only reason there is doubt in some people.
If you truly doubt that global warming or climate change is occurring I suggest you read more about it. I have read enough to know that this is an extremely complicated subject which I will never understand fully. To understand the convoluted nature of the subject and to be able to actually conclude something would take enormous effort. No one here has made the effort yet people here have come up with contrary answers to the scientists. Why?
No offence LIP but you do not understand it. You only think you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
I donā??t understand it but as I said I know how complex it is. The only people who have enough knowledge of the subject to make these conclusions are the people who have dedicated their lives to it. Have you? Then why the fuck do you think you know better than them?
is garden knowm serious about sending me a free copy of Al Gore's flick?
if so, hit me up ;), but yes i believe Al' Gore's fatass about this Global Warming
this year in montreal we had a green christmas that never happened before
for all the 16 fuckin years i've been alive in this place that never happened lol
Gore is onto something and hopefully people don't listen to the government
cause they lie about anything and everything just like they used to lol...
yeah just take a glimpse back to the freaky weather we had here in the lower mainland (BC) in November. We had record breaking rain, hurricane force winds, snow storms, and cold sunny weather. Normally we just have a bit of rain. None of that other shit. Global warming causes freaky weather- just cause it's not warm and balmy here doesn't convince me that it's not occuring. The fucked up weather does.
And LIP, maybe you will be dead when the earth and environment goes to hell, but if you ever have kids I think you would be hoping that they have a nice future- one without torrential storms and fatal weather systems.
Like I said
GLOBAL WARMING HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE THE LAST ICE AGE.
Before that ice age, global warming happened, and erratic spike in CO2 then bam ice age.
Same exact thing happening today, we are just helping it go faster.
We are gonna get into another ice age soon.
BIG FUCKING WHOOP
I like the cold.
you are completely backwards!!!!!!! an erratic spike in CO2 causes WARMING of the planet, NOT COOLING!!!!! We are not heading towards an ice age at all.
You are taking an overly simplified approach to this issue. CO2 isn't the only thing responsible for climate change, there are many other aspects to it. I suggest you read more about it and get your concepts straight.
sigh, the co2 warms the planet and causes the world to go into an erratic cooling process.
Like I said, it is similiar to the day after tommorrow, but at the same time not even close. The movie was based on scientific fact.
i don't see why so many people are worried about it, it's happened before, and it WILL happen again (ice ages, world destruction, ect..) i think it's george carlin who says something along the lines of "we're a threat to the planet? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!! we're just like a surface irritation to the earth, the earth was here long before we were and it'll be here long after we're gone, it'll shake us off like a pest and begin a new.."
these events are already set in motion, speed them up, slow them down, doesn't matter it WILL happen... so i really don't understand why everyone is so worried about it, it's completely out of our control... but i guess that's human nature, to try and control the things we can't, and explain the things we can't....
hmm that's interesting because everything i have read has said the other way around- the earth gets cold (ie ice age) and THEN a warming trend happens.
i guess what the real point is, is that global warming is occuring regardless, and whether it causes an ice age or not- it's going to fuck up our planet. agreed?