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we are not talking about it asking you to do unjust things like banning a religion. we are talking about refraining from a hobby! we are not talking about medicinal uses as that has an exception to the law (in some places).
read the initial question carefully!!! everyone is missing it
unitewefall, thanks for backing me up on his uncalled for and immature comment
oneironaut,
that wasn't jesus message. jesus message was of a revolutionary love that would change the world... unfortunately i think the mainstream religion lost that back in the day and made it about unimportant stuff... (my personal opinion)
i love a quote i read of ghandi saying that if christians actually lived the life of love that jesus spoke of that he would become a christian... it was a cool quote
Well, I agree with your interpretation of the Bible. There is no way to justify breaking laws if you believe in the truth of the Bible.
I just happen to believe that there is no God and that the Bible, while it contains some good advice, also contains a good deal of bad advice.
I believe that humanity has actually progressed in its moral thinking during the past two millennia, and learning that it's a good thing to defend yourself is one of the lessons we've been taught again and again. Jesus was just plain wrong. If you don't like your faith being criticized, too bad for you I guess, because Biblical teaching clashes with modern ethics in too many ways to avoid criticism of the Bible's righteousness.
I agree with love and stuff, but you have to deal with the fact that there are lots of non-loving people in the world, who will occasionally try to wrong you. The correct response is to enact justice somehow, instead of being lazy and relying on some fictional god or karma to do it for you. Evil has to be resisted. Not resisting it is tantamount to letting it win.
i agree with your statement for many cases... i believe modern christianity has demasculanized men into pussies for the most part... i believe there is a time to turn the cheak and let things slide... and there are times to stand up and be strong
Well Jesus never said that. He didn't say "Resist not evil, unless it's really really evil like Hitler", and he didn't say "whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also, unless you don't feel like being a pussy today".
I find it rather amusing how often Christians rationalize acting contrary to Jesus' teachings. If I believed there was a text of moral precepts that were thought up by the omniscient creator of the universe, I would take them very seriously! But then again, the Bible is a very difficult text to take seriously...if I tried to follow it I would have no eyes because I lust after girls a lot and Jesus says eye-gouging is the correct solution to that.
actually he taught both. he taught there was a time to turn the cheek and a time to fight back... the scriptures talk about there being a season for everything.. a time for peace and a time for war.
I do not interpet the Bible to say I must Obey mans law. You can pick and choose passages to make the Bible say whatever you want.
The Bible also says: "Forgive and You will be Forgiven" "Judge and you will be Judged" "Do to others as you would have them do unto You"
What's more Cannabis was used in biblical times: for clothing, paper, cord, sails, fishnet, oil, sealant, incense, food, and in ceremony, relaxation and medicine.
For so the Lord said unto me, "I will take my rest and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs. For afore harvest, when the bud is perfect and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks and take away and cut down the branches." (Isaiah
18:4-5)
Hemp was used in this country for everything from rope clothes paper oil just like in the Bible until the government found prohibition to be more profitable.
Do you believe God created Marijuana? If not just where did it come from? Herbs are mentioned in the Bible repeatedly.
I don't like it when people talk about Marijuana and hard drugs as if they go together. They don't. There have been studies that prove Marijuana is not A GATEWAY drug. AND There are studies proving its legalization actually lowers the violent crime rate.
There are all sorts of new medical studies being done: MARIJUANA-LIKE COMPOUNDS MAY AID ARRAY OF DEBILITATING CONDITIONS RANGING FROM PARKINSON'S DISEASE TO PAIN
SAN DIEGO, October 26, 2004 ?? No longer a pipe dream, new animal research now indicates that marijuana-like compounds can aid a bevy of debilitating conditions, ranging from brain disorders such as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) and Parkinson's disease, to pain and obesity.
In past studies, researchers determined that the main active chemicals in the drug marijuana produce a variety of effects by connecting to specific sites on nerve cells, called cannabinoid receptors. Researchers also discovered that these receptors normally bind to natural internal chemicals, dubbed cannabinoids.
??Understanding how marijuana and the brain's own natural cannabinoid system works is helping researchers design new medicines,? says cannabinoid expert Daniele Piomelli, PhD, of the University of California in Irvine.
WASHINGTON, Oct. 13 (UPI) -- Scientists said Thursday that marijuana appears to promote the development of new brain cells in rats and have anti-anxiety and anti-depressant effects, a finding that could have an impact on the national debate over medical uses of the drug.
This is nothing NEW patients have been claiming it for years.
Other illegal and legal drugs, including opiates, alcohol, nicotine and cocaine, have been shown to suppress the formation of new brain cells when used chronically, but marijuana's effect on that process was uncertain.
Now, a team led by Xia Zhang of the department of psychiatry at the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon may have found evidence the drug spurs new brain cells to form in a region of the brain called the hippocampus, and this in turn reduces anxiety and depression.
Marijuana appears "to be the only illicit drug whose capacity to produce increased ... neurons is positively correlated with its (anti-anxiety) and anti-depressant-like effects,"
http://www.hmnews.org/article2749.html
It is MY RIGHT to use marijuana. My back has been broken in 11 places. I have been on Morphine, oxycontin, viodin you name it.
I have even let them put a 6 inch long needle directly into my spine and pump meds directly into my spinal cord. Nothing helped.
All that happened was I slept all the time and if I was awake I hurt and I vomited non stop from the meds. I also had grand mal seizures. My life sucked big time. I did not have a life. My kids did not have a mom.
Someone suggested I try weed. I had not smoked it for over 20 years. I was in high school when I tried weed for the 1st time and I hated it so I never did it again until a few years ago.
Now I use a vaporizer and smoke weed everyday. I can spend all day awake with my family I never throw up and I no longer have to take Dilantin for seizures. I don't have to take any hard addictive pain killers.
So it is not a matter of breaking mans law it is a matter of my God given right to live and smoke weed. I am not alone there is case after case of people with cronic illness helped by weed.
How dare you throw your misguided interpetation of the Bible around without having done your research. You have not walked in my shoes.
What gives you the right to Judge anyone? GRRRRRRRRRRR :mad:
What about the parts of the Bible that actually instructs man to go against the government? What makes you think that marijuana being illegal is right. Why couldn't man's law be wrong? What evidence do you have that the marijuana law is a just one?
In the Old Testament there are a number of prominent examples of civil disobedience. In Exodus 1 and 2, when Pharaoh commanded the Hebrew midwives to kill all male Hebrew babies, they lied to Pharaoh and did not carry out his command.
The book of Daniel has a number of instructive examples. In Daniel 3, for example, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego refused to bow down to the golden image and were cast into the fiery furnace. In Daniel 6 the commissioners and satraps had King Darius make a decree that no one could make a petition to any god or man for thirty days. Daniel nevertheless continued to pray to God three times a day and was cast into the lion's den.
The most dramatic example of civil disobedience in the New Testament can be found in Acts 4 and 5. When Peter and John were commanded not to preach the gospel, their response was, "We must obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29).
(please don't take this as being antagonistic... i believe in the wisdom of the bible completely, and just find this a challenging issue to ignore as smoking is a regular part of my life and is illegal where i live)
It is being antagonistic because for many people weed is a life saver. If you are not sick and it is bothering you that much then don't smoke. THe way you worded your question was antagonistic and you can't just say I'm not talking about medical marijuana because this is a battle we fight everyday and the law applies to US as well not just "Bible Readers" who smoke for recreation. How can your question not apply to everyone?
You questions make it appear as though YOU interpet the Bible to say we are sinners how can that not be taken as antagonization?
If you believe the Bible to be the final word WHY ARE YOU judging others?