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Master Wu, your post about taking GD with a beer is confusing.
To start with the GD is made with 151 proof alcohol, so whether you dilute this tincture with beer or water shouldn't make any difference as it is already being 'carried' by a strong alcoholic medium. I don't see how taking GD with a beer could significantly alter the absorption rate.
Not doubting your findings, just a little unclear on the logic.
Peace
Knotter
Good question Knotter,
Here is my logic re: GD with beer or wine (both work equally well). BTW--I have equally good success with just 1/2 a beer.
You are correct that we use a concentrated alcohol (151 proof rum) to extract. You could probably do the extraction with a more dilute alcohol, but you would need a much greater volume and probably more time. Think about the probability of an ethanol molecule interacting with a cannaboid. The higher the alcohol concentration the more ethanol/cannaboid interactions occur per a given amount of time. The more interactions the quicker and more efficient the extraction. This is why we use a very concentrated alcohol.
Now when we actually ingest the GD we are using only a very small amount of a very concentrated solution--typically less than 1 ml. By comparison, a 12oz glass of beer (or 5oz wine or 1.5oz hard alcohol) contains 22ml of alcohol compared to the 1ml of GD.
So here is what I think is happening. There is not enough ethanol in the 1ml of GD to efficiently (and quickly!) carry the dissolved cannaboids through your system if there is anything, like food, in the way. Using a greater volume of solute (ethanol) helps keep the cannaboids in solution and mobilized. This is very similar to chromatography, if you remember your high school chemistry.
I initially came to this conclusion when I observed that, if I drank a beer after peaking (sometimes hours later), I would experience a second, smaller GD peak. This made me think that the alcohol in the beer was mobilizing any cannaboids that got stuck.
At any rate, I almost always put the GD in at least half a glass of beer or wine now. The onset is much more controlled and consistent. I also am able to use less GD to achieve the same result! Presumably this is because there is less loss.
Hope this helps...cheers,
Master Wu
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The Alchemist
I have attempted to make a batch od GD going along with your recipe twice now. The first time, I did not get a good batch at all, having to consume prettywell the entire thing to have any type of an effect.
The 2nd time, I had a better extraction, a darker looking dragon, and it took about 5ml of the 2nd batch to bring forth a result.
I am wondering how to maximize the extraction of the THC from the alcohol. For the measurements, should it be exactly 2oz (measured)? or just 2 shot glasses full?
I have had great success with smaller batches, I just have yet to get the large to work well for me. Any tips would be a great help.
One more thing... as far as the temperature of the mixture during the water bath... should the temperature be maintainted as closely to 170 as possible? or is a little hotter to ensure that the solution doesnt stop boiling ok?
Ok here is what he is saying you do.
Step #1
Take 1/8th ounce cannabis. Grind it up in a blender or coffe grinder into a fine powder.
Step #2
Take a pan and line it with aluminum foil.
Step #3
Pre-heat oven to 325 degrees (f)
Step #4
Cook it in the oven for (5) minutes. Depending on your oven time may vary slightly.
Step #5
Take cannabis out of oven and let it cool.
Step #6
Take 2 ounces of 151 proof or higher alcoholic beverage (151 bacardi for example) and put it in a small mason canning jar along with the ground up cannabis. 1 pint jar works well.
Step #7
Take a small cooking pot and fill halfway with water and bring to a boil on the stove.
Step #8 Place canning jar in water with a thermometer in the can and boil for about 20 minutes until the alcohol and ground cannabis reaches 170 degrees (f)
Step #9 take canning jar out of water and let cool.
Step #10 extract green cannabis liquid and press ground cannabis to get all liquid out, store in a small 2 oz dropper bottle.
Nice summary Toker4lifevt.
Only two edits.
#5 No need to let the cannabis cool.
#8 Boil the alcohol at 170 degrees (f) FOR 20 minutes. (the summary says until it reaches 170 but that isn't correct)
Ok here is what he is saying you do.
Step #1
Take 1/8th ounce cannabis. Grind it up in a blender or coffe grinder into a fine powder.
Step #2
Take a pan and line it with aluminum foil.
Step #3
Pre-heat oven to 325 degrees (f)
Step #4
Cook it in the oven for (5) minutes. Depending on your oven time may vary slightly.
Step #5
Take cooked,g round up cannabis out of the oven. DONT BURN YOURSELF! :stoned:
Step #6
Take 2 ounces of 151 proof or higher alcoholic beverage (151 bacardi for example) and put it in a small mason canning jar along with the ground up cannabis. 1 pint jar works well.
Step #7
Take a small cooking pot and fill halfway with water and bring to a boil on the stove.
Step #8 Place canning jar in water with a thermometer in the can and boil for 20 minutes @ 170 degrees (f).
Step #9 take canning jar out of water and let cool.
Step #10 extract green cannabis liquid and press ground cannabis to get all liquid out, store in a small 2 oz dropper bottle.
If you like my simplified guide, or it helped you out please rate me up. Thanks :stoned:
i am excited to try this... i really hope i dont blow something up!
do you think using duff (vaporizer leftovers) would work to make GD with or should i should stick to making butter with it?
Yeah it works, but it takes a loooooong time. I presume you mean doing it without heat. It'll take a month or so to finish and you'll have to use more to get less of an effect. Try the above mentioned recipe and you will get absolutely sideways :yippee: The last batch I made, I used honey to flavor it. By the time I got the flavor right, I had inadvertenly injested enough to put me on Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, if you know what I mean. Damn near psychedelic. Way different than smoking:rasta:
Later
E
First and foremost, Master Wu, This is great! Many thanks.
My first batch, being a little flush with bud (great harvest), I used 20 g. of good bud, no stems, branches, or leaves, ground real fine, and used 10 oz. of 184 proof shine I had available. I tested it myself using a Widder alcoholmeter - 92%.
Everything went exactly as you said, and your tip about the garlic press is great. I ended up with 8 oz. of deep emerald green high proof gd, which is the very best way I've ever used shine or bud. Thanks again for your recipe.
Now, the reason I'm writing is b/c of what happened while making my second batch using 32 g. manicured bud, 12 oz . 184 pr. shine. Everything was perfect until I lifted the Mason jar from the hot water (about 10 oz. gd).
Just as the bottom of the jar cleared the water, the bottom of the Mason jar fell out, dumping my gd into the 6 cups of water in my kettle. I had a very accurate test thermometer in the Mason jar at all times and used it to stir during the 20 min. extraction period.
Does any one know why this happened? I have idea, but I'm not sure. Any ideas or reasons would help b/c this could have been a nasty burn if it happened 1 second later.
Best Regards