Marinol

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Originally Posted by dryst

ur not seeing the point...but ill let u belive w/e u want...seeing as how u wont change ur pov either way...

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gee, thanks for letting me believe what i want. maybe you should study the laws.

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Originally Posted by dryst

ur not seeing the point...but ill let u belive w/e u want...seeing as how u wont change ur pov either way...

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What he's saying is that the illegality of marihuana has nothing to do with THC. If nobody smoked it, if it didn't contain THC, then it would still be illegal. They just would have had to use different propoganda techniques.

Here's the point:

It's not the THC in marijuana that makes it illegal, because the law doesn't say anything about the THC making it illegal. The law simply bans marijuana. While I agree, it'd be pointless to smoke marijuana with 0 percent THC, if you were to possess marijuana with 0 percent THC it is still an offense LEGALLY because the law does not distinguish between good marijuana and bad marijuana. Marijuana in any case is considered illegal, even if it's got no drug content... why do you think we can't farm industrial hemp? Even though it's got almost no THC it is still illegal, because the law is very black and white about it: Marijuana is illegal.

Edit: Graph is totally right, that's my point. Glad you can understand my point Graph :thumbsup:

look dude...if i get caught with a oz of pot im going to jail...why ? because im in possession an illegal substance...right?...ok so what if im caught with 100 marinol pills?....i going to jail because im in possession of an illegal substance (without a medical permit w/e...). last time i check, or at least accroding to u..theres no plant matter, there no plant fibers there no resin or bud in marinol...ok so whys it illegal to have then?...cause it has thc in it...

I am against doing pot alone. period. For me and my peers smoking pot has always been a recreational activity. Either sitting around watching a movie, groovin to tunes, going hiking, canoeing, surfing, the beach, whatever.
I was caught by a group of my peers smoking pot ALONE - you know what? They branded me a CRACKHEAD and have shunned me every since. I guess its kind of like have sex alone. Really forwned upon and distained by socialites and the like.
WHy take Marinol, you sound like you are just becoming an addict or something. Next think you know you'll be poppin pills like oxy, viks, valium, fentanyl etc. DONT BE A JUNKIE

why would u care what people think about u?...set ur own trends man...if u like smokin alone then fuckin do it

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Originally Posted by dryst

look dude...if i get caught with a oz of pot im going to jail...why ? because im in possession an illegal substance...right?...ok so what if im caught with 100 marinol pills?....i going to jail because im in possession of an illegal substance (without a medical permit w/e...). last time i check, or at least accroding to u..theres no plant matter, there no plant fibers there no resin or bud in marinol...ok so whys it illegal to have then?...cause it has thc in it...

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If you are caught with 100 marinol, you are guilty of possessing a controlled substance if you're not the rightful prescription holder. If it's your prescription then it's fine. If you're caught with pure THC powder which obviously isn't a prescription, you are guilty of possessing a controlled substance.

There are different laws controlling marijuana and controlled substances. The idea wasn't to ban THC in all forms when Marijuana laws were first being drafted. Aslinger aimed to eliminate Marijuana in plant form back in the reefer madness days. At that time it would have been legal to possess THC powder as long as it's not the plant marijuana (that's called a loophole). At that time however, I'm sure that nobody was walking around with pure THC powder--the thought probably didn't even cross the government's mind.

1970 comes around and the government impliments the new system of scheduling drugs. This aims to broaden the illegality of all drugs such as LSD... this is when THC became illegal, among other drugs. So in 1970 we have marijuana (in all forms) that is illegal, and then we have THC made specifically illegal in 1970.

Marijuana was made illegal before THC was made illegal. While it might be THC that gives people the high, it wasn't THC that was illegal necessarily, because prior to 1970 one could be in possession of THC as long as it wasn't marijuana. This is because marijuana was outlawed, but the law did not say anything specifically about THC until 1970.

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Originally Posted by budzy malone

I am against doing pot alone. period. For me and my peers smoking pot has always been a recreational activity. Either sitting around watching a movie, groovin to tunes, going hiking, canoeing, surfing, the beach, whatever.
I was caught by a group of my peers smoking pot ALONE - you know what? They branded me a CRACKHEAD and have shunned me every since. I guess its kind of like have sex alone. Really forwned upon and distained by socialites and the like.
WHy take Marinol, you sound like you are just becoming an addict or something. Next think you know you'll be poppin pills like oxy, viks, valium, fentanyl etc. DONT BE A JUNKIE

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It sounds like your friends are kind of lame. Maybe you should get better friends who aren't so concerned with the personal life of other people. Sounds like dumb ass high school drama to me.

point being their both illegal which is what i was saying from the start...whether they were made illegal the same day or 1000 years later, their both still illegal

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Originally Posted by IanCurtisWishlist

It is synthetic, meaning it was created in a laboratory and not derived from the cannabis plant. It's still the same chemical when it comes down to it. The sesamae seed oil is used because THC is soluable in oils...

When you said ".. person A may feel it in 30 mins, where as person B may have taken them 2 hours ago and still feel nothing... " , this has nothing to do with the fact that the chemical is synthetic. Bottom line is, synthetic or not, it's still Delta-9 THC. It was created in a lab by chemists, but it's still the same chemical that occurs in nature. The only difference is that it was created using technology, not a plant... so it's the same chemical.

Lastly, most drug texts will say what you have pointed out--that the drug can effect people differently. This depends on the individual and again, has nothing to do with whether or not the chemical is synthetic or drived from natural sources.

When you say, "we've established that it's synthetic and not pure," this is misleading. A pure substance may be synthetic. The only way it would not be pure is if it's cut with something else. In essence, marinol is only "cut" with the sesame seed oil and the gel coating, but there is no impurity in the drug which is psychoactive.

again, synthetic = created in a lab by chemists--this has nothing to do with the strength or molecular makeup of the chemical. Synthetic only points to how the chemical was synthesized. Whether it comes from the cannabis plant or is created in a lab (synthesized) , the end molecule is the same-- it's still Delta-9 THC.

Citing RXLIST.COM,:

"Dronabinol, the active ingredient in MARINOL (dronabinol) Capsules, is synthetic delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-9-THC). Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol is also a naturally occurring component of Cannabis sativa L. (Marijuana)."



So synthetic or not, it's the same exact chemical when we examine it on the molecular level.

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alot of what you were saying has nothing to do with the 'argument' at hand, because well it wasn't part of the argument that was info intended for the people wanting to try marinol.