Isreal and American support for violence.
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Originally Posted by psychocat
You're quoting the bible to an atheist.
It is also obvious that you are probably religiously fanatical yourself as your post smacks of Islamophobia, neither religion should be taken to extreme, have you read Leviticus?
I find the bible and all religions are used as an excuse for hatred it's all BS.
I will NOT argue with your point here. You are ENTITLED to your opinion and I welcome that.But the BIBLE is NOT all about hatred,it's the religious fanatics to use your own words! I hate them just as much as YOU do! I'm more of a Washington Conservative and originally a Southern Baptist. I HATE HYPOCRITES!
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You did not address my point but in so doing you reminded me of another point.
Can you be a 'lil more specific?
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How can the US be unbiased and mediate whilst showing support for one side?
Surely they should support peace rather than war?
I agree there are corrupt individuals in the military and government,but I believe in peace through strength,trust but verify! If you look at the eagle on the back of your dollar bill,it has both a bundle of arrows (war) AND an olive branch (peace) (both are symbols of Manasseh,Joseph's first born!) The eagle's head faces in the direction of the olive branch which indicates it's desire for peace,but willingness to fight if necessary,so it's a delicate balance (or tightrope) look back at my previous post,I added another link.
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PS even an Atheist like me can quote the bible too
So can Satan!
"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)[/QUOTE]:thumbsup: NOT BAD FOR AN ATHEIST! This helps explain Israel's (Judah's) situation!
Isreal and American support for violence.
Sorry,won't let me edit to add the other link. http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/sonishmael.html Here it is!:D My OTHER explanation! The verse quoted,(Genesis;16:12) is what I'm referrin' to.
Isreal and American support for violence.
I really fail to see what relevance this has to my question.
Lets take religion out of the formula and also nationality.
For the sake of sanity (I believe all religions to be a form of insanity) we will say that there are 6 sides and two sides (blue and red say) fall out ,,to which yellow says to red we are your friends have some weapons to protect yourself ,, to which green replies we will give the blues weapons.
Are yellow and green helping the situation or aggravating it?
Meanwhile black and white are saying halt all hostilities,, surely the best course of action is this yet yellow and green still continue to arm both sides.
Shouldn't black and white be left alone to resolve the problem peacefully ?
Wouldn't the inclusion of yellow or green in the peace process just give a bias for one side?
Using the bible to justify violence against any nation is imo retarded and Americas insistance that it is a Christian nation is mad when it supplies the means to kill others,, how is that Christian??.
BTW there is probably more religious diversity in the US than anywhere else.
My original question is one of ethics not religion, you ask me to accept something I rejected as insanity many years ago, wether Muslim ,Christian or whatever I don't care.
Isreal and American support for violence.
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Originally Posted by psychocat
Using the bible to justify violence against any nation is imo retarded and Americas insistance that it is a Christian nation is mad when it supplies the means to kill others,, how is that Christian??.
I wasn't usin' the bible to JUSTIFY violence,but to EXPLAIN what was accurately FORETOLD! Example,Isaiah;31:5,Matthew ;24:32-36 and Luke;21:24 all look to the 6-Day War,June 5-10 1967! Isaiah talks about BIRDS FLYIN' when he mentions the Lord of hosts DEFENDIN' Jerusalem and Luke ;21:24 narrows it down to the DAY when it says : JERUSALEM will be trodden underfoot of the Gentiles UNTIL the time of the Gentiles be FULFILLED! Historically,Jerusalem fell to the Romans in 70 A.D.(C.E.) WHEN did the Jews (Judah) RE-capture Jerusalem? JUNE 7,1967!! Jesus says in Matthew when the fig tree's branch(modern Israel) becomes tender and grows(captures more territory) ye know that SUMMER IS NEAR! When does summer start? June 21! 11 days after the 6-Day War ended! The scriptures listed are 100% ACCURATE! So if I'm justifyin' VIOLENCE please show me where! I concede people DO justify violence but don't accuse ME of doin' that! As far as Israel goes why condemn THEM and not Hamas or Hezballah? Why condemn the good guys? Hamas and Hezballah DESERVE what they get! At LEAST Israel is droppin' leaflets tellin' the Lebanese to GET THE HELL OUTTA THERE! ONE reason so many civilians are gettin' killed is because the HEZBULLY COWARDS:rolleyes: Position their rocket launcher trucks IN or AROUND residential areas and then PULL OUT when airstrikes are called in resultin' in civilian casualties! Another thing they do is BLOCK their own people from leavin' at GUNPOINT and threaten to KILL ANYONE who TRIES to escape or evacuate,so when civilians are killed they say SEE SEE? THEY'RE BABY KILLERS! So your above question SHOULD be addressed at HEZBALLAH and HAMAS! Why condemn SELF DEFENSE?
Isreal and American support for violence.
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Originally Posted by Mark Bryan
As far as Israel goes why condemn THEM and not Hamas or Hezballah? Why condemn the good guys? Hamas and Hezballah DESERVE what they get! At LEAST Israel is droppin' leaflets tellin' the Lebanese to GET THE HELL OUTTA THERE! ONE reason so many civilians are gettin' killed is because the HEZBULLY COWARDS:rolleyes: Position their rocket launcher trucks IN or AROUND residential areas and then PULL OUT when airstrikes are called in resultin' in civilian casualties! Another thing they do is BLOCK their own people from leavin' at GUNPOINT and threaten to KILL ANYONE who TRIES to escape or evacuate,so when civilians are killed they say SEE SEE? THEY'RE BABY KILLERS! So your above question SHOULD be addressed at HEZBALLAH and HAMAS! Why condemn SELF DEFENSE?
So therefore Isreal knows it is bombing civilians and not terrorists, how can that be classed as self defense ?
Once again I find myself repeating what I have already said, surely a surgical response (similar to the way IRA terrorists were hunted) is called for in that case and not indiscriminate bombing ?
The creation of Isreal is really the problem imo.
However that was not was I was asking and if you could get your head around the question without including religion you may well understand that the point I am trying to make really has nothing to do with any of that. You are just predjudiced by your own obsession with the bible, "Us Christians have to fight against the Muslim threat" just sounds so retarded to my ears.
Let me rephrase it for you.
Should anyone throw gasoline on a burning fire and expect it to go out?
Does America think it is helping the situation by choosing sides and then telling both sides we want peace ?
My question is about the ethics of the US not really about the Isreal situation.
Isreal and American support for violence.
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Originally Posted by psychocat
So therefore Isreal knows it is bombing civilians and not terrorists, how can that be classed as self defense ?
Because HEZBALLAH STARTED IT!
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The creation of Isreal is really the problem imo.
HOW?
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However that was not was I was asking and if you could get your head around the question without including religion you may well understand that the point I am trying to make really has nothing to do with any of that. You are just predjudiced by your own obsession with the bible, "Us Christians have to fight against the Muslim threat" just sounds so retarded to my ears.
You couldn't possibly be more WRONG!!
Let me rephrase it for you.
Should anyone throw gasoline on a burning fire and expect it to go out?
Does America think it is helping the situation by choosing sides and then telling both sides we want peace ?
My question is about the ethics of the US not really about the Isreal situation.[/QUOTE]
IT IS NOT UNETHICAL TO AID IN SELF DEFENSE!
Isreal and American support for violence.
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Originally Posted by psychocat
So therefore Isreal knows it is bombing civilians and not terrorists, how can that be classed as self defense ?
Because HEZBALLAH STARTED IT!
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The creation of Isreal is really the problem imo.
HOW?
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However that was not was I was asking and if you could get your head around the question without including religion you may well understand that the point I am trying to make really has nothing to do with any of that. You are just predjudiced by your own obsession with the bible, "Us Christians have to fight against the Muslim threat" just sounds so retarded to my ears.
You couldn't possibly be more WRONG!!
Let me rephrase it for you.
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Should anyone throw gasoline on a burning fire and expect it to go out?
Does America think it is helping the situation by choosing sides and then telling both sides we want peace ?
My question is about the ethics of the US not really about the Isreal situation.
IT IS NOT UNETHICAL TO AID IN SELF DEFENSE!
Isreal and American support for violence.
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Originally Posted by Mark Bryan
Because HEZBALLAH STARTED IT!
HOW?
You couldn't possibly be more WRONG!!
Let me rephrase it for you.
IT IS NOT UNETHICAL TO AID IN SELF DEFENSE!
That's the most illogical bullshit I ever read.
You equate terrorists and civilians as one as the same.
And apparently crossing borders is defined as self-defense.
Right :rolleyes:
Guess what? In America, if someone egged my car, I don't have the right to bash his head in. I'd go to prison if I did.
I don't see these standards applied to citizens of America, applied to Israel in anyway. The fact is Israel get special treatment from the United States.
America should take no sides, and not provide 60% of it's aid to military spending.
Isreal and American support for violence.
So therefore Mark if there was a sniper in your neighbourhood I would be justified in calling in an airstrike to destroy your homes and kill everyone just to get my sniper?
If you believe that then imo you need some serious help.
Isreal and American support for violence.
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Originally Posted by psychocat
So therefore Mark if there was a sniper in your neighbourhood I would be justified in calling in an airstrike to destroy your homes and kill everyone just to get my sniper?
If you believe that then imo you need some serious help.
your hate for bush/America clouds your judgement
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Israeli Commandos Raid Hezbollah Hideout in Baalbek Hospital
Wednesday, August 02, 2006
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BOURJ AL-MULOUK, Lebanon â?? Israel poured up to 10,000 armored troops into south Lebanon Tuesday, and commandos raided a Hezbollah-run hospital and captured guerrillas during pitched battles deep in the eastern Bekaa Valley, a major escalation of the three-week-old war.
In the attack on the ancient city of Baalbek, about 80 miles north of Israel, commandos ferried in by helicopters fought Hezbollah guerrillas inside and around the hospital under cover of heavy airstrikes, witnesses said. At least seven people were killed in the city, they said. Israel said an unspecified number of guerrillas were captured and no soldiers were hurt.
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The raid was the deepest ground attack on Lebanon since fighting started three weeks ago.
Hezbollah's rocket attacks into Israel, meanwhile, diminished. Hezbollah fired just 10 rockets across the border Tuesday and two early Wednesday, well below an average of about 100 a day since fighting began.
The ferocity of the battles in the Bekaa Valley and across southern Lebanon and the determination of the Israelis to keep fighting quelled expectations for an early cease-fire, although Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said an agreement on how to end the conflict was possible within days, not weeks
they went in On foot you fucking Tard... they didnt send in a air stike.
your hate your hate isclouding your judgement.
if we used your dumb logic... they would have just leveled the hospital.
they didnt...............cause your dumb
