Why do you use psychedelics?
ok heres how it is
most people that use it for the high dont realize its spiritual purposes because they think spiritual is to go to some church on sunday. when they do it though they will most likely have a spiritual expereince and like it. They like the extra insight it can bring and the euphoric feeling. who cares what they call it
to them it is a high because they think spiritual lies in a church
now to me getting fucked up from drinking is bad and I wish more people came to love entheogens instead. the world would be a safer place
I would much rather have my daughter when she gets old enough to "get high" from entheos than huff some gas with classmates wouldnt you with your child???
Why do you use psychedelics?
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Originally Posted by yoda
right on man, but i cant play guitar while still hallucinating, the dots on the fretboard are everywhere! but day after is incredible.
the first time i tripped, with acid, i just wanted to see shit. i didnt know much about the actual effects, my friends said they couldnt actually describe it, and i can see why. but ive done it 2 times since then, and i want the whole experience. the thoughts that go through your head, the beauty of life, and yeah, the crazy shit you see.
I love playing guitar while tripping as I can write songs that I wouldnt normally think of while sober
Why do you use psychedelics?
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Originally Posted by Its a Plant
I'm also here for a flame-free discussion, so no hate here.
That's the spirit!
"Flame free" is the key. Dex maybe the next time you are off having one of your supposedly "spiritual" experiences on entheogens, you should ask the plants to teach you a little patience and caring. I'm talking about COMPASSION and the equanimity not to be disturbed or frustrated when someone contradicts your views.
I'm just saying, every genuine spiritual experience I've ever had has made me want to give up arguing with people, because it doesn't get you anywhere. The very structure of argumentative discourse prevents meaningful communication: it encourages taking sides and adopting views for their own sake, rather than for the sake of discovering the truth. It becomes more about pride, and the 'rightness' or 'wrongness' of the people involved than having a truly good discussion, which is by nature collaborative. And once you realize that we humans are not in competition with one another (a TRUE spiritual insight), flaming becomes the last thing you want to do to somebody.
Why do you use psychedelics?
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Originally Posted by Dextromethorphan
I think that using potentially enlightening and profound substances just for a â??highâ? is a waste. If that puts me on a high horse then so be it.
I think we need to define what "just a high" means. And what do you think is so wasteful about it?
I mean if we're talking about over-harvesting peyote or something, then you start to have a really good case. But what about the easy-to-get mushrooms growing plentifully in your neighbor's bedroom (which you could grow yourself if you felt you didn't have access to enough)?
Are we talking purely supply and demand here?
Why do you use psychedelics?
Panza, my spirituality does not stop me from being a realist.
Why do you use psychedelics?
Cause i like to explore my mind mane.
Why do you use psychedelics?
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Originally Posted by Dextromethorphan
I think that using potentially enlightening and profound substances just for a â??highâ? is a waste. If that puts me on a high horse then so be it.
Should we be smoking weed for only "spiritual reasons?"
Don't give me that horse shit. I'm sure you smoke weed to get high. Weed can be used as a spiritual sacrament and you won't be hard-pressed to find individuals who argue this very fact.
A lot of people get caught up in spirituality when doing psychedelics, including myself. The concept of spirituality varies from perspective to perspective anyway. Couldn't the concept of spirituality and fun go hand-and-hand? Is that possible for the average non-psychedelic mind to comprehend? Probably not.
The reason I can't stay away from psychedelics is the perspective you acquire and see from. To me, it's childhood pre-packaged in a 6 to 12 hour substance. To see from a mind of the innocent in a grown perspective. Not to mention tripping with a few of your close friends is a lot of fun :)
Why do you use psychedelics?
In my previous statement, "potentially enlightening and profound substances" referred specifically to the "harder" and more psychedelic drugs (mescaline, LSD 25, psilocybin, dextromethorphan and the like) not to marijuana even though it is technically a psychedelic. Marijuana is so commonly used it is hardly worth the argument to include though its use as a spiritual tool I believe to be superior its use a social drug.
Why do you use psychedelics?
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Originally Posted by Dextromethorphan
In my previous statement, "potentially enlightening and profound substances" referred specifically to the "harder" and more psychedelic drugs (mescaline, LSD 25, psilocybin, dextromethorphan and the like) not to marijuana even though it is technically a psychedelic. Marijuana is so commonly used it is hardly worth the argument to include though its use as a spiritual tool I believe to be superior its use a social drug.
Why not? Just because something is commonly used doesn't mean you omit the spiritualistic properties. A lot of drugs can bring forth a spiritual experience, psychedelic or not. You mentioned a disassociative. PCP could be enlightening, Ecstacy.
With that being said, there should be no barriers to purpose when enjoying drugs. People have different tastes in lifestyle and that has direct correlation with the reason. It can't be the same for everyone.
Why do you use psychedelics?
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Originally Posted by Dextromethorphan
Panza, my spirituality does not stop me from being a realist.
Was that an answer to my question? What kind of things does a realist think? By 'being a realist' do you just mean that, realistically speaking, the more people who use LSD for selfish reasons, the greater the problem of its scarcity becomes, and the less there is available for more legitimate purposes?
I still want to be clear on where the line is between something that is "just a high" and an experience that is purely spiritual. Is there any experience that is not spiritual? Why is there some kind of binary between the two? "Being a realist," if it means dividing things into strict categories, strikes me as a hindrance to the spiritual path. It means seeing the world through specific ideologies and agendas that are self-limiting.
What is a high? An experience of sensory enjoyment? Well then what is spirituality? What could be more spiritual than attunement to one's own bodily experience in the moment and a connection to the sensuous world around us?
The vagueness of the word "spiritual" bothers me, and there is even a certain vagueness to the word "high." It is often when we are high that we are able to gain the most perspective on life, literally like being on a mountaintop and looking out over everything, the hills and the valleys, the suffering as well as the good in the world. I am genuinely interested in understanding your take on the word "spiritual," because it is important to recognize the tensions in our own views on things. It's not a bad thing, just something worth being aware of.
