Schizophrenia

thanks....

well, doesnt change where i stand as the articles trying to link marijuana and schizophrenia are loose at best, as they even admit they cant say if marijuana did worsen underlying symptoms or the patients are self medicating..

im curious as to how come nothing mentions that marijuana doesnt affect dopamine so much, but the reabsorption of seratonin?? dopamine causes the urge to smoke, and the smoking effects seratonin reabsorption..schizophrenia, all dopamine and nmdh receptors..there have been incredible reports by Howlett and Devane, who discovered that cannabis does not affect the "dopamine reward system".

like any other issue, 10 doctors and scientists will have 10 different reasons for their different beliefs..i was really just trying to show that there really are no "tests" for any mental illness, and the proper interpretation of diagnosis..i just cant, in my mind, agree in anyway that marijuana induces schizophrenia..but, that is just me...

princess..

I know when I've been hung over from alcohol or exetremely stressed i have heard voices but if i don't drink and don't let myself get to stressed I'm fine. but voices don't come from MJ for me or when they do I can control what they say verbatim, but alcohol and stress I have no control over them.I don't think it causes schitzophrenia especially since I still have control.

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Originally Posted by surreys princess

im curious as to how come nothing mentions that marijuana doesnt affect dopamine so much, but the reabsorption of seratonin?? dopamine causes the urge to smoke, and the smoking effects seratonin reabsorption..schizophrenia, all dopamine and nmdh receptors..there have been incredible reports by Howlett and Devane, who discovered that cannabis does not affect the "dopamine reward system".

like any other issue, 10 doctors and scientists will have 10 different reasons for their different beliefs..i was really just trying to show that there really are no "tests" for any mental illness, and the proper interpretation of diagnosis..i just cant, in my mind, agree in anyway that marijuana induces schizophrenia..but, that is just me...

princess..

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Remember that animals don't self-administer cannabis, but, you know, that humans will get addicted to nicotine. Also, marijuana smoke affects the lungs differently.

With the effects of Cannabis, coming from the cannabinoid receptors, dopamine isn't causing the mice to ingest cannabis.

Now, cannabis has been shown, somehow, that it doesn't cause psychosis, but, rather, pre-onset psychosis causes cannabis use.

Ok, "pre-onset psychosis causes cannabis use" what the hell does that mean?.. lol

it means that in people with schizophrenia have dopamine surges, responsible for pleasure, and it is what makes them (and anyone else) desire to smoke..

Schitzophrenia is most likely the result of an oxidized condition.

Most times caused by lifestyle and what you eat. Foods that oxidize.
Cooking oils and many, many other substances.

Many times can be corrected with diet changes and certain supplements or herb combinations.

1. Fish oil EPA, more so than DHA.
2. Antioxidants particularly ascorbic acid, vitamin C,E.
3. Niacin
4. Homocystein lowering agents.
5. Dietary correction.


http://www.weeksmd.com/articles/psyc...atty_Acids.pdf

Depression and Schitzophrenia most likely caused by the typical western diet
which is full of oxidizing food additives and oils etc.

Enter oxidation/schitzophrenia in your search box.
Enter ascorbic acid/schitzophrenia in your search box.

Other resource and explanation.

Herbchina2000.(search box) "mental disorders" then "schitzophrenia"
formula combinations. click on individual pictures of herbs.

also

www.orthomed.org/pauling.html


Many diseases of the mind and body are the result of oxidized conditions
or deficiencies.

http://www.ceri.com/ffredox.htm

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Originally Posted by Ganjasaurusrex

Schitzophrenia is most likely the result of an oxidized condition.

Most times caused by lifestyle and what you eat. Foods that oxidize.
Cooking oils and many, many other substances.

Many times can be corrected with diet changes and certain supplements or herb combinations.

1. Fish oil EPA, more so than DHA.
2. Antioxidants particularly ascorbic acid, vitamin C,E.
3. Niacin
4. Homocystein lowering agents.
5. Dietary correction.


http://www.weeksmd.com/articles/psyc...atty_Acids.pdf

Depression and Schitzophrenia most likely caused by the typical western diet
which is full of oxidizing food additives and oils etc.

Enter oxidation/schitzophrenia in your search box.
Enter ascorbic acid/schitzophrenia in your search box.

Other resource and explanation.

Herbchina2000.(search box) "mental disorders" then "schitzophrenia"
formula combinations. click on individual pictures of herbs.

also

www.orthomed.org/pauling.html


Many diseases of the mind and body are the result of oxidized conditions
or deficiencies.

http://www.ceri.com/ffredox.htm

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Very top web link no good.

Search box:

Depression and Schizophrenia Essential Fatty Acids and Other Essential Nutrients

should see a series of blue boxes on page.

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Originally Posted by Mr.N

Ok, "pre-onset psychosis causes cannabis use" what the hell does that mean?.. lol

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Lol. Say you're gonna get psychosis. Say every person in your family has had it for seven generations. Well, you smoke marijuana at age 13 to see if you can change history and not get psychosis at 16, as all your family members have.

To someone with intelligence, they'll conclude that cannabis made that 13 year-old crazy.

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Originally Posted by surreys princess

it means that in people with schizophrenia have dopamine surges, responsible for pleasure, and it is what makes them (and anyone else) desire to smoke..

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I would say that's quite likely. A friend of mine has schizophrenia, I can't remember when he developed it, whether he had it from birth or not. He was always wanting to get high, if it wasn't weed he'd smoke crack, he did this knowing how fucked up he would be the following few days, sometimes it would take months to detox from it. He would have to go to a unit where they pumped him full of all sorts of medication. Regardless of that he would still want to smoke/drink as much as he could. I would say its more likely schizophrenia causing reckless use of MJ than MJ causing schizophrenia.

AMSTERDAM - There is no scientific proof that cannabis use induces schizophrenia, Dutch scientists say, questioning recent research and an argument the Dutch government uses to crack down on marijuana-selling â??coffee shops.â?�

In an article in this weekâ??s Magazine for Psychiatry, a peer-reviewed journal, the three authors say that on the basis of currently available data â??there is no justification for the proposed closure of coffee shops.â?�

Often the first symptoms of schizophrenia occur during adolescence, when people start to experiment with drugs, but the scientists believe cannabis use only has a negative effect on people already genetically predisposed to the mental illness.

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â??It is therefore advisable that youngsters with a family history of schizophrenia and patients with a schizophrenic disorder be discouraged from using cannabis,â?� the report said.

Subsequent Dutch governments have tightened rules on the sale of marijuana in government-regulated coffee shops, resulting in a significant reduction in the number of cannabis cafes.

A ban this year on alcohol in coffee shops will be followed by a ban on tobacco in 2005, outlawing all smoking on the premises.

There are around 780 coffee shops in the Netherlands of which 270 are in Amsterdam, according to 2002 figures.