Advice please

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Originally Posted by benagain

Yes that's all a very nice opinion on what you beleive to be the truth. I was commenting on what you had said..
That I'm affraid is stupid. Maybe I didn't make myself clear. If a guy knocks up a girl and gets her pregnant, it is just as much his responsibility to care for that child and the well being of the mother as it is the girls. So what she didn't stick to her birth control, so what. You understand how a baby is made and you know what can happen when you have sex. Accept the consiquenses of your actions. Marriage and contracts have nothing at all to do with it. It's about doing the right thing as a man. If men behaved the way you describe, there wouldn't be any respectible fathers to raise any kids.

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That is not true, and history proves that. It is NOT right to force child support payments on a man - especially if the couple is not married. Women have ALL the rights to deliberatly not use birth control, and/or refuse to get an abortion, and the man is forced to pay for the unethical behavior of the slut - even if she lives with, or even marries, other men. There are NOT many "respectable" fathers because the system gives them no rights. There is not even an incentive anymore to be a father - I think that guys that have kids are making a mistake, in most cases. Look at the divorce rate, the rates of single parenthood (usually females), "deliquent dads" that have been fucked over, the high rate of crime amoung young people from broken homes - without a father figure. There's no "men" anymore - legally, socially, and economically we're the "niggers" of the sexes - and if we don't wake up, the lunatic fringe of religous people will take over everything.

Men UNITE! It's only common sense.

So why can't the man get a vasectomy if he's so worried? If you don't want kids and you don't trust women, get one and be by yourself your whole life. More power to you. But sleeping around and not claiming any responsability is like firing a gun in the air and not caring where the bullet lands.

also, if guys shouldn't have kids, how the hell is anyone gonna be born? Were you a planned child? I know I sure as hell wasn't, but I'm happy as hell and I do my part to try and better the world.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

That is not true, and history proves that. It is NOT right to force child support payments on a man - especially if the couple is not married. Women have ALL the rights to deliberatly not use birth control, and/or refuse to get an abortion, and the man is forced to pay for the unethical behavior of the slut - even if she lives with, or even marries, other men. There are NOT many "respectable" fathers because the system gives them no rights. There is not even an incentive anymore to be a father - I think that guys that have kids are making a mistake, in most cases. Look at the divorce rate, the rates of single parenthood (usually females), "deliquent dads" that have been f*cked over, the high rate of crime amoung young people from broken homes - without a father figure. There's no "men" anymore - legally, socially, and economically we're the "niggers" of the sexes - and if we don't wake up, the lunatic fringe of religous people will take over everything.

Men UNITE! It's only common sense.

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Howdy BA,

I think that it's right to make both the man and woman responsible,married or not,especially if a chil is concieved because of irresponsible promiscuity. I do agree that men need to have more rights in regards to whether an abortion should be performed or not,there are many men who want to have children and are willing to be fully responsible for them.

I don't like the use of the word "slut" and it makes me wonder if you think of all women as being "sluts" ? As the father of a beautiful,wonderful daughter,it pisses me off mightily:mad: ,when men talk about women in those terms..if anything-we have a problem with man "sluts",who will do or say anything to a woman,to git her into bed.

I left my wife and took my daughter,when she was old enuff to decide legally,who she wanted to live with,and finished raising her on my own,without hardly any help from her mother,because her mother was more interested in going to the bar,than being at home with her daughter. My daughter never got into drugs or sex,in school,and finished highschool in the top of her class,I re-dedicated my life to her and put my wants aside.

So when a child is concieved,it's time for the parents to grow up and put their wants to the side and consider the needs of the child first,it becomes a bigger issue than just the wants of the mother..it's no longer about whether a man or woman refuses to be "in-convienced" by a child. Certainly,there should be consideration given for the health impact to the mother,and not nearly so much about whether it's "in-convient" or not.

Have a good one...

[QUOTE=Torog]Howdy BA,

I think that it's right to make both the man and woman responsible,married or not,especially if a chil is concieved because of irresponsible promiscuity. I do agree that men need to have more rights in regards to whether an abortion should be performed or not,there are many men who want to have children and are willing to be fully responsible for them.

In these days,with the easy availability of family planning, there is no reason that a person must have children in the event of an unplanned pregnancy. If you don't agree with abortion, fine - but when sperm fertilizes the egg in an ovary it's nothing more than a chemical reaction of nature. Making it into some kind of "miracle" is just superstitous nonsense.

I don't like the use of the word "slut" and it makes me wonder if you think of all women as being "sluts" ? As the father of a beautiful,wonderful daughter,it pisses me off mightily:mad: ,when men talk about women in those terms..if anything-we have a problem with man "sluts",who will do or say anything to a woman,to git her into bed.

I do not think that most men will "do or say anything" just to get a woman into bed. In my case, I was fortunate enough that I didn't need to lie, or pay for sex (well, I paid for dates). I also wouldn't have children under the type of system that we live under - which is going more and more towards matriarchial/matrilineal - in other words, back to the days of savagery. We CREATE "sluts" by rewarding bad behavior and creating contempt for the father (and men in general).

I left my wife and took my daughter,when she was old enuff to decide legally,who she wanted to live with,and finished raising her on my own,without hardly any help from her mother,because her mother was more interested in going to the bar,than being at home with her daughter. My daughter never got into drugs or sex,in school,and finished highschool in the top of her class,I re-dedicated my life to her and put my wants aside.

Men have given up their role as the head of the household - but you have shown that you were a fine parent and provider, which is admirable.

So when a child is concieved,it's time for the parents to grow up and put
their wants to the side and consider the needs of the child first,it becomes a bigger issue than just the wants of the mother..it's no longer about whether a man or woman refuses to be "in-convienced" by a child. Certainly,there should be consideration given for the health impact to the mother,and not nearly so much about whether it's "in-convient" or not.

This society is moving towards a primitive system, and the men have relinquished their rights to control by people that have ingrained in them lousy values that are the end result of bad "liberalism" and "conservatism". We need to have PRIDE in ourselves: having children out of wedlock, making men pay for children out of wedlock that they never wanted, and female heads of households (unless she's a widow), are not good ideas. This is MY version of "conservatismâ?�: Responsibility without rights is not American. Men should demand their rightful role as the head of the houshold and primary caregiver of children born into a LEGAL union. Sex outside of marriage is fine, but the women cannot expect the man to assume the role of their "husband" just because they forgot to put in their diaphram, or take a pill.

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Originally Posted by benagain

So why can't the man get a vasectomy if he's so worried? If you don't want kids and you don't trust women, get one and be by yourself your whole life. More power to you. But sleeping around and not claiming any responsability is like firing a gun in the air and not caring where the bullet lands. also, if guys shouldn't have kids, how the hell is anyone gonna be born? Were you a planned child? I know I sure as hell wasn't, but I'm happy as hell and I do my part to try and better the world.

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First of all, condoms should be used unless the parties are absolutly sure that they are disease free. Using a condom also has the added benefit of birth control.

My wife and I are THINKERS: Two Healthy Incomes No Kids Early Retirement.

I'd rather see the human race voluntarily extinguish itself, with dignity, by not procreating more people. This is a much better way to leave the planet than by nuclear warfare, ecological man-made disasters, overpopulation or other self-destructive acts of stupidity. Perhaps an INTELLIGENT life form can evolve here in the future.

There IS a loosely-knit organization of people that would like to see the human race peacefully put an end to itself called The Voluntary Extinction Movement:
http://www.vhemt.org/

i'm with ba dammit, plenty chicken heads from around the way think about getting paid like that, no fukn shame. I've had stupid friends both guy n girl do retarded shit like have accidents, one case my homies chick used the condom to get herself pregnant, now hes paying for it. I agree with manning up n taking responsibility but only when things are decided beforehand. that chick is like another girl from 'Maury' if she aint even knowing who the fukk is the pops, "You are not ... the father" ... "WOOP WOOP!!! I told yall she was a ho!!"

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Originally Posted by Little Miss Blinky

My mate is 4 wks pregnant and very confused
the bloke whose baby it is dont want her to keep it
what should she do :confused:


Thanks

MissBlinky

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So this babies life is going to be decided by a bunch of strangers on a internet forum? Are you fucking kidding me? On second thought, I doubt I'd want her raising a child if she's this stupid, he'd probably grow up to do more harm than he would ever do good.

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Originally Posted by tadaa

So this babies life is going to be decided by a bunch of strangers on a internet forum? Are you fucking kidding me?

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LOL. I agree. The realities being spun are so far removed from the simple situation presented it's just comical.

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Miss Blinky, How old is your friend ? Does she have the support and help of her family ?

Her Family has nothing to do with it, if she's an adult.

As for the bloke who got her that way and doesn't want to be responsible for his own child-I'd beat the living daylights out of em,if your friend was my daughter !:mad: I have a daughter who will be turning 26 this month and I told her to never abort a child if she gits pregnant-that I'd raise the child myself,if I have to.

Your solution of violence is a good example for the young: girl get's pregnant by not using common sense, and her father commits felonious assault against her lover. Great way to live!

The way I see it-all children are born innocent-no matter the sins of their fathers and mothers,and each child has the potential to save humanity.

Children NOT being born is a bigger favor to humanity. The odds are much greater for a child to become a mass-murderer than someone who discovers a cure for cancer.

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Torog, would you think that aborting Hitler, Stalin, bin laden, Mao, and other mass-murderers, and even lesser criminals, is wrong? Abortion has made New York City a much better place since the benefits of Roe vs. Wade kicked in during the 1990's: We're now the safest of the 20 biggest American cities.
Abortion is not even very popular anymore: birth control has taken care of what it's meant to do. The Catholic Church, and other some religious organizations, are against ALL forms of artificial birth control: therefore, they are in favor of creating crime and misery. It keeps the degenerate clergy in business - which is the act of enslaving people through fraud.