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Wow what a closed minded bunch! You already have all the answers. What was I thinking? Did you all eat lunch before or after your long periods of religous study? It's ubundandly evident that many of you on the site are outrageously biased against the Bible in particular and/or the particular God it represents. I can't wait to hear all the clever bashing and character assasinations in rebuttal to this assertion. In the end it will still be clear that you have chosen to disbelieve for other reasons and not because there is no evidence, which of course, there is. What else explains your caustic remarks and attitudes? It's a shame for you, but your choice. Good luck with that. :cool:
That about sums it up for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Razer
Dont get mad at people who dont believe in God or Jesus.. if you want US to believe, then prove it.. its not my responsibility to disprove the existence of God, (there is no need - only a lack of any evidence whatsoever), its your responsibility to prove it! And if you cant, well then it should be taken with a pinch of salt
Almost every single religion out there what they only really want people to believe is that they are right they spend more time worrying about other religions being wrong and trying to prove this than teaching what they believe. Its all a game of right and wrong where every one is wrong. The only belief i have now is that i am in control of my life, what happens in my life is due to the choices i have made, and the goal of my life is to be happy and fufill my desires not the desires of a fictional character.
Oh yeah and to smoke weed every day. Cause its a natural resource and because a few people dont like it they shoudlnt be able to change the way of life millions of other people choose. My life is mine i will not let it be influenced by ignorant fools. I suggest you do the same.
While I'm not one to tote the magestics of the bible or support stupid "satan is influencing our lives, god is vengeful" rhetoric, I do believe in God. It saddens me when a forum full of suposedly open minded stoners (I mean you naturally have to have an inquisative mind in order to try this "harmful drug" and have the ability to see beyond what you're told) have completly shut their minds off from the possibility of a higher power. You want proof? Just look around you. Everywhere the world is so complex and so maticoulsly joined together that there's no way it could have possibly all been a coincidence that just sort of happened. Someone, or something (ie God), had to plan and guide the creation of the world that surrounds us today.
Simple example, the oxygen molecule normally bonds to form O2, or two oxygen atoms together. However, in our atmosphere is present a large abundence of O3 aka ozone. Normally oxygen doesn't bond to form units of three but somehow a giant ammount of it found it's way into our atmosphere EXACTLY where it was needed in order to block out the sun's harmful radiation and allow life on earth. How likley is it that so much of an un-natural molecule would end up there? This is just one example but there are millions more of seemingly random occurances that took place in exactly the right time and exactly the right ammount to allow life and evolution.
Another thing, look at math for instance. A perfect represantation of the world around us, a world which is always imperfect. A window, perhaps, a higher bieng, a higher order of existence. But that's more theoretical than anything so I won't go any further than that.
Here's another thing for you non believers to think about. In logic it's impossible to prove that something does not exist. If something isn't there where's your evidence for it? It's not there, but maybe it's elsewhere, how can you prove it?
Now what do I believe specifically? I'm catholic, but I don't indulge in the "details" of my religion, I'm refering mainly to all the pain, suffering, and monsters from the old testament. What I do believe is that God exists, he created me (or perhaps more apropriately allowed for my existance) with a purpose in mind. His love for me is eternal and as long as I share that love for him and for my fellow man that is all that is required of me. If i fuck up, if i do something greedy and stupid that hurts someone else, then I can always go back to God and ask for forgivness, and he will always forgive me if I truely wish to be forgiven.
I'm not asking you to believe what I just wrote, I'm simply asking you to re-analyze your life and realize that there must be more to it than just life, death, and nothingness.
Hopefully that made some sense.
ah..well...i think god is everything... dirt, plants, you, me, planes, the galaxy, the universe of universes. i don't believe in the "nothingness" idea, either. my thoughts. :)
This is always an interesting topic and I generally find IF you have a different opinion than others you are wrong - I guess I don't claim to be smart enough to claim I know specifically which or if there is a higher being. I believe your spirituality is where you find it and how you find you inner peace and I respect others right to believe what they wish - AS LONG AS YOU DON"T THINK I HAVE TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU DO OR YOU ARE NOT USING YOUR PARTICULAR RELIGON TO CREATE LAWS THAT EFFECT MY LIFE.
Spirituality is very personal and everyone has different view and yes, some of us do read, I've looked at many different religons, I don't believe anyone can truely understand their religon and say their way is the only way without exploring others also - matter of fact it seems rather closed-minded to me. One way isn't the only way - and I have studied the Christian religion. Matter of fact I have attended many different churches when I was younger, Hell I was even Baptized when I was 12. So here are a few thoughts from someone who does read and has studied many religions, many of which are older than Christianity, Christianity is a very young religion compared to many and the conclusions from a middle-aged stoner.
I tend to believe that there is some structure to this chaos - controled by what I will never claim to be smart enough to say, I think if a person does believe in a particular God (and there is more than just one, any other thought is just niave) you are convicted enough in your belief that you would have to assume everyone else is incorrect - otherwise you conviction in your particular god isn't that strong.
I tend to think, if there is a god they are all one in the same, we all initially came from different cultures and different backgrounds and spoke different languages, so it makes sense we all would have different gods. Call it what you will, not to fond of labels either, but in almost every culture throughout history there is a belief in a higher being, Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Native American, Hindu, Bhuddist, Greek, Roman, Aztec, Incas and so on - That belief can be rooted in a being or nature - nature I at least can see - It's more tangible.
I also tend to believe that I personally could never follow any doctrine written by man - men lie and use things (and I am male, wouldn't want the wrong conclusion drawn) to manipulate for their own purposes. I personally have a real problem with the Bible, especially the King James version, a document that has been perverted from original scriptures for the exact purpose of controlling the masses, It even exists because a MAN decided his interpretation of the bible was different than the one that existed at the time.
Out of all the religions I have studied one thing is consistant and apparent, If you live your life with good intentions good things will happen to you - and in every organized religion this one thing is consistant - I'll use the term the Golden Rule - Do unto others as you would have them do unto you - may be worded differently but it's in every religion I know about. But after that things begin to break down.
I guess my biggest problem with Christianity is put your faith in a higher being and things will be taken care of - what about personal responsibilty - If that were really the case why exist and why do anything - If God is going to take care of it and everything is pre-ordained, why exist. And I have a problem with any religion that uses guilt as a control tool. And the whole concept of hell was rediculous to me even at the age of ten - Believe in a kind and loving God or he will send you to eternal damnation - If thats how God operates I'll pass - and why give us freewill to choose - (I know it's actually more involved than that.
Another reason I had a problem with Christianity, was after reading the Bible, I found Jesus was pretty cool, but I find the Biblical God to be childish, vengeful and at times almost hateful to the beings he supposedly created - I could never worship a being like that - nor would I want to - too much guilt.
Fundamentalist Christians (the most frightening of all the religious groups) say evolution doesn't exist, another myth, look around you all species have and do constantly evolve, seems like God would have set up the system and evolution makes perfect sense, it exists in nature and if God created all nature then why wouldn't it be so, seems like a pretty logical idea for an all knowing all powerful creator.
I tend to prefer the Bhuddist philosophies, wherein what you do in life determines what happens to you - you get what you give - but it puts the responsibility on yourself if your intentions are good good things tend to happen - a much more positive approach I think - and doing nothing accomplishes nothing - praying to solve a problem always bothered me, praying is honestly putting faith in some thing else to take care of your responsibilities - what has the individual done to attempt to solve their problem - personable accountability - I know its a fading idea but it does work - and generally if you attempt to solve your own problems, with or without help - you feel better about yourself and are closer to inner peace and really isn't that what spirituality all about in the first place?
Just a few random thoughts from someone who does read and actually gives it some thought - and I don't care if you disagree it's fully your choice - but am I wrong - you don't know and for that matter I don't know - a belief is just a thought process, It may be one you feel, but it doesn't mean it is correct. Just a few thoughts.
Be Well
and razer the above post does explain my caustic remarks and attitudes, just because someone doesn't believe in a particular god does not mean they are incorrect - some of us do think!!!!!
sorry...but i couldnt be fucked to read all that. But im impressed at your tenacity