question about christian view of homosexuality
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Humans have been givin the choice to live as they want. God isnt going to interfere with what you choose to do, but once you die your going to be asked why you did what you did. And if you deliberatly disobeyd God then your going to hell.
You say it as if you choose to become gay/lez. Its not a choice. Either you are or you are not. If you are, you can pretend your not but thats all it is, pretend.
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The Bible was wrote by a miracle of God, thats what how he wanted it to be done. He gives the message to a holy person and they relay it into a book. If you dont have faith in something, then your living for nothing.
Very nice. Yes it was a miracle. But the Bible we have is not the same Bible that was writen all those years ago. Our Bible has be altered. Sections have been cut, parts added and things never translated. Our Bible is made only of what we wanted in it.
question about christian view of homosexuality
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Originally Posted by Sinsemilla Jones
have a stick up their ass!
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:stoned::rasta::pimp::smokin:
Are you type that lets the mosquitos gather around your face??? The reason why they are buggers is because they're bugging you, I could see how they'd get a stick up their ass, the bugger put it there.
question about christian view of homosexuality
Lighten up! It's a joke!
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If you laugh hard enough that stick might just come flying out.
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But if you like it, you'll love a penis!
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question about christian view of homosexuality
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Originally Posted by mrdevious
I was just thinking, in christianity (and probably a bunch of other monotheistic religions) god is very against homosexuality and generally condemns you to hell for poking someone in the ass. might I ask why? is there some consequence, some harm done to god or society or somebody if you stick your penis in somebody's anus? what's the whole reason behind this ruling, or is it just accepted "because god said it" with no real reason given?
Homosexuality is detestable to God for the reason that it is a natural path of the human sexuality without God. God's gift of sexuality, the fact that we enjoy expressing this love to our other half ("for this reason a man shall leave his family and be united with his wife and they shall become one flesh") is because it is a gift from God. Homosexuality is the bending, breaking, and abusing of that gift to fit our natural corruption without God. The real question is why do some people naturally turn to this unnatural lifestyle? Looking at this honestly; what causes people to somehow decide that normal sexual function doesn't appeal to them?
This is the best verse I can find that explains what homosexuality is and where it came from (or at least the motives behind it)
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualitiesâ??his eternal power and divine natureâ??have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creatorâ??who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
It's when man has turned away from God that we fall short of any good. Homosexuality saw a great rise in the 70's-90's, and for that reason the aids epidemic hit the gay community so hard. It's not REALLY punishment from God, but rather the natural side effects that occure when we do something we shouldn't. It logically makes sense that anal sex would have a higher risk for aids both biologically (the anus isn't supposed to be fucked, duh, and in turn gets cut and bleeds) God won't protect you unless you're turned towards him, not because he doesn't love you and care about you, but rather because you have remained in your sin and cannot be anywhere near God (not in terms of location but purity, or "holiness".
Don't get me wrong, homophobic people are in no place to judge gay people, because homosexuality goes no further than being just another sin. You may as well say all gluttons go to hell, or gossips, or whatever
question about christian view of homosexuality
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Originally Posted by MudFu
You say it as if you choose to become gay/lez. Its not a choice. Either you are or you are not. If you are, you can pretend your not but thats all it is, pretend.
Very nice. Yes it was a miracle. But the Bible we have is not the same Bible that was writen all those years ago. Our Bible has be altered. Sections have been cut, parts added and things never translated. Our Bible is made only of what we wanted in it.
People who say that they didn't chose to become gay or lesbian parallel those people who say they are addicted to food. Both claim that they are not in control of this, and that the alternative isn't available to them. We as a species do not have the same craving for food as our appetite for sex, therefor when we give in to our sexual temptation, we tend to tell ourselves it's natural...those addicted to food STILL get criticized for being fat. WE NEED TO FIGHT FOR GLUTTON RIGHTS! People should be able to eat as little or as much as they feel like. Sure we'll have a nation of fat-assed lazy people, but I can garuntee that a nation that fullfills it's every sexual desire would be a LOT less healthy.
Think about it from this light: It is usually only those who are huge food addicts, or those who are starving that dream and think about food...likewise our addiction (and I do believe we're now addicted) to sex is due to our feeding the appetite. Those who are sexually deprived, or those who are sexually gluttonist (if you'll allow the word) are in the same state of sexual craving. It's because our nation glorifies sex so much that we feel we should keep pushing the envelope. The more we bend the rules, the more we wish them to be bent. Right now we bend the natural rules of procreation by allowing same sex lifestyle into our culture, but next comes animals, and then trees, and then rocks, or worse.
Don't get me wrong, I believe in being tolerant of gay people. I never pass judgement on one because they could just as easily turn around and say something about my flawed life style as well.
question about christian view of homosexuality
Sure, asshole, people just wake up one day and "i'd like to get beaten for no other reason than I like people of my own sex, I like to go through periods of painful identity crises, I choose to be gay because it spices up life!"
Christianity has demonized any sex whatsoever since the very beginning. Why? There is no point to it at all. All it leads to is nothingness. Preach on all you like, but to live a totally sin-free life one should never have any sex at all, even if it's for procreation.
Christianity preaches the end of life, it preaches nothingness, ultimate nihilism. It preaches that our life is bad, and the only good Christian is a dead one (so he can be closer to God, of course...). Fuck that. I believe in life, I believe in the here and now. There is something inherently wrong with a religion that says that death is better than life.
question about christian view of homosexuality
god expects EVERYONE to love him...but it says in the bible that being gay is a sin...well GOD, you CANT jus be gay any time you want, its not something you choose. gay people are BORN gay. if you discriminate your own creation. you dont deserve to be a god! u SUCK
u will never get my love. cunt
question about christian view of homosexuality
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Originally Posted by F L E S H
Sure, asshole, people just wake up one day and "i'd like to get beaten for no other reason than I like people of my own sex, I like to go through periods of painful identity crises, I choose to be gay because it spices up life!"
Christianity has demonized any sex whatsoever since the very beginning. Why? There is no point to it at all. All it leads to is nothingness. Preach on all you like, but to live a totally sin-free life one should never have any sex at all, even if it's for procreation.
Christianity preaches the end of life, it preaches nothingness, ultimate nihilism. It preaches that our life is bad, and the only good Christian is a dead one (so he can be closer to God, of course...). Fuck that. I believe in life, I believe in the here and now. There is something inherently wrong with a religion that says that death is better than life.
I believe you have a very mis-informed picture of what christianity actually preaches as opposed to what people say it preaches.
A gay person makes their own choices, and that's the way it is. I liken it to fat people who make the decision to eat too much of the wrong food and get made fun of for being fat, EVEN if they're born with obtuse appetites, or of fat parents...it all boils down to that choice of deciding what you want rather than giving in to whatever wants you.
Christianity clearly states that sex is a gift for two people to share who are already united (by marriage) under God, which is why marriage is a religious invention (and no other religion seems to hold it to such an importance as christianity). The REASON that all other sex is concidered "evil" (by evil I mean sinful) is because of the intention that goes behind it. Believe me, we weren't given a sex drive so that we could blow off steam every time we wanted...just like we are given a stomach, mouth, taste, and digestion, but that doesn't mean food is simply "here to be eaten"
I have to use the parallel between our appetite for food, and for sex because they are just too similar...the urge/cravings/self-esteem that are involved in both.
question about christian view of homosexuality
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Originally Posted by StOneD.aS.FuK
god expects EVERYONE to love him...but it says in the bible that being gay is a sin...well GOD, you CANT jus be gay any time you want, its not something you choose. gay people are BORN gay. if you discriminate your own creation. you dont deserve to be a god! u SUCK
u will never get my love. cunt
Firstly, people are born asexual...secondly you would have no argument that people are born gay save the testimony of a handfull of gay people ("every man's actions are innocent to him" anyway).
So, seeing as babies have NO sex drive (baby boys and girls are almost the same for the first few years) that dismissed any claim that people are BORN gay.
Secondly, we humans have no actual sense of perfection, therefor we don't see our own actions as anything so bad. I won't get too into this, but there is not ONE rule or law in the bible that wouldn't benifit humanity if it were followed...not one, and you can try me. That's not to say at first glance that some might seem odd to us, but keep in mind that absolute good would seem very strange to us
question about christian view of homosexuality
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Originally Posted by Pyramidsonmars
So, seeing as babies have NO sex drive (baby boys and girls are almost the same for the first few years) that dismissed any claim that people are BORN gay.
of coarse babies are not born sexualy active, just like no one is born able to speak. or walk. thats no excuse saying they will not be gay in the future.
