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And if you look at it from another perspective.
Adam and Eve supposedly did EAT an apple. It was never said whether or not they ate before that, but maybe eating is one of the sins. Maybe when we started eating God said "your evil" and took away or everlasting. Just think...one time...we were all a nutstain in Adam's undies.
Anyways, these crazy people that fast, could be practicing something to show that they are closer to God by respecting his wishes and not eating food or "the apple".
wow STDzRus, thats a pretty good theory. I never thought of it like that before :)
1. they were told they could eat from any other tree, there is a specification that eating isn't wrong although i know you're just trying to be a smartassQuote:
Originally Posted by STDzRus
2. if you make a sacrifice for someone, it's making a devotion. those crazy people who fast, are fasting to show a devotion. not to other people, but to God whom they believe whole-heartedly exists. it's also a way of sort of controlling glutonny, cuz almost everyone in modern society is a gluton.
You could have just titled this thread 'Proving that my imaginary friends are real'
How can you prove the existance of a made up character? Your talking about someone you've never seen or encountered and yet you can supposedly verify his or her existance. Hes in your mind, just like the bugs under the skin of a crack addict - in--your--mind!
What if you had an experience with God when you were in perfectly good health and not fasting or under the influence of any type of drug? I have a couple. One converted me back from atheism, and the other one is just a story that happened a long time ago at my parish.
I had been an atheis for about 3 months. I was just like all of you and had all the same arguments. Then, on Easter day, my parents dragged me to Mass because they thought it'd be a "Good thing" for me to go. Well, for those of you who are not familiar with the Easter Mass in a Catholic Church, we renew our baptismal vows halfway through the service. Everyone who has been baptized takes a lit candle in their hands and the Preist says our vows and we repeat them. Well, when everyone took their candles and started saying their vows, I noticed something very strange about the candles. Every one of them had a strange aura around them. It was like a red-gold aura. The flames of the candles, not the people. This became more and more noticable until we finished that part of the Mass, at which point all the auras disappeared. While I saw the auras I also felt like there was something inside my head that doesn't belong there. It wasn't unpleasant just...strange. That day I converted back to Catholocism.
A long time ago there were about 10 people having a bible study thing in the basement of the parish I go to (Saint Marguerite's). About an hour into the study, all the lights went out. This is normal, sometimes the power substation gets struck by lightning or a strong wind disconnects some wires and puts us all in the dark for awhile. Well, the only source of light they had was a lighter someone happened to have in their pocket. They went looking around the church for a candle, and the first one they came across was the Baptismal Candle. These candles are very precious and are only supposed to be lit in important ceremonies. Well, since they didn't want to go stumbling throughout the church looking for a lesser candle, they just lit the Baptismal Candle. As soon as they lit it, the entire main part of the church (where you hold Mass) Lit up from the light of that one candle. It was just as if all the lights were on, but all the light fixtures were black. Pretty strange. That light lasted until the power came back on, when it suddenly vanished. A huge space lit up by one candle...Explain that one.
you cannot prove god.
to prove you can do something, solely for the sake of others believing, is merely showing off, and is not a true reason to perform a miricle, therefore, it will be greatly difficult to prove it.
but if there is a reason to perform a miricle, most "failsafes" the mind places on itself will be removed, except the "i know i can do this" one (unless you know you can do that lol).
so in other words, you cant perform a miricle unless you need to, or at the very least, feel a great enough need.
this is why i, as much as i know, cannot do as much as i know, for i see no reason to even know what i do! kinda sucks...
someone told me that makes me an oracle...
(i'd edit this into my other post, but nooooooooooo)
you cannot not have an experiance with "God" (or the great spirit, or allah, or the mind, whatever else you want to call it.) for all that is, IS god.
So that means that God is the cumulative minds of all people forming only One Mind, and that all physical "reality" is just a creation of that mind?
yes.
That meeting you had with God was your subconscious voice.