Thoughts on China....HELP

China is up and coming and all they want is respect, but everyone knows the US will not even give CHina that, ever. I agree completely with Fengzi's post. For centuries China has had a pretty bad army, the only reason they were ever threat was because of sheer numbers. So they want a good, modern army? Let them have it. China is becoming more and more westernized every day, and if the pendulum ever swings the other way, the US won't need to do anything because it's the Chinese people themselves who will rise up against their government. China is expanding in all sectors, and is just feeling out its place in the world.

As for Taiwan, China will never attack.

And that comparison with Nazi Germany is sooooo stupid, if I was China I'd attack you on general principle.

you want to hate America go ahead,<-----------that is completely uncalled for and juvenile.
It just shows an extremely narrow mind. Questioning motive is not hating America. It looks as tho I have every right to question as the US is blowing the China threat way out of proportion.....

They have exaggerated the arms build up by 71 percent....
I am really disappointed with The Washington POst....

You are so egocentric Psycho when you and Fengzi said you were worried about Pakistan
I took it to mean you were worried about the arms build up between Pakistan and India NOT fear Pakistan would attack the US :rolleyes: Once again you make everything about the "US"

You complain about France selling arms in Africa yet you can't see the moral dilemma in selling Pakistan fighter jets then turning around and selling India the weapons to shoot them down? It is kinda chickenshit if you ask me...

I am seeing this as just more bullshit by our government and media.....
You can kiss the governments ass if you want....America is not a reflection of it's leaders no more than China is a reflection of one loud mouth general.

You keep waving your flag Psycho and I'll keep finding the facts...
WHO really loves their country the person standing with a piece of cloth and swallowing whatever they are fed or the person that wants to hold their country to the moral values for which it was founded?

Yes Flesh I agree China is up and coming....but we still need to find the basis for all the negative rhetoric that is being thrown around by both sides...and as always it is tied to ARMS Sales.
Thanks for your opinions, Fengzi and Flesh that's what I needed, some reassurance.
Reason is becoming harder and harder to find these days.... :)

I am not so worried about China attacking Tiawan....I am worried the US will push Tiawan into something. They have used these same tactics in other countries playing both sides against the middle....

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Originally Posted by BlueCat

you want to hate America go ahead,<-----------that is completely uncalled for and juvenile.
It just shows an extremely narrow mind. Questioning motive is not hating America. It looks as tho I have every right to question as the US is blowing the China threat way out of proportion.....

I guess instead of politics this thread could be what has the U.S. done wrong today. Sorry!

They have exaggerated the arms build up by 71 percent....
I am really disappointed with The Washington POst....

You are so egocentric Psycho when you and Fengzi said you were worried about Pakistan
I took it to mean you were worried about the arms build up between Pakistan and India NOT fear Pakistan would attack the US :rolleyes: Once again you make everything about the "US"

My ACTUAL quote regarding Pakistan:
"I agree about Pakistan...BAD situation!!!" No mention of "worry" from me. :D

You complain about France selling arms in Africa yet you can't see the moral dilemma in selling Pakistan fighter jets then turning around and selling India the weapons to shoot them down? It is kinda chickenshit if you ask me...

Which would you prefer to sell to or should we let the sales go to other countries?

I am seeing this as just more bullshit by our government and media.....
You can kiss the governments ass if you want....America is not a reflection of it's leaders no more than China is a reflection of one loud mouth general.

Who's kissing ass? Did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? I still love ya!!! :D

You keep waving your flag Psycho and I'll keep finding the facts...
WHO really loves their country the person standing with a piece of cloth and swallowing whatever they are fed or the person that wants to hold their country to the moral values for which it was founded?

If I don't care for the job their doing I vote to have them fired. Pure and simple.

Yes Flesh I agree China is up and coming....but we still need to find the basis for all the negative rhetoric that is being thrown around by both sides...and as always it is tied to ARMS Sales.
Thanks for your opinions, Fengzi and Flesh that's what I needed, some reassurance.
Reason is becoming harder and harder to find these days.... :)

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Your not going to thank me too? I'm hurt!!! :(

I've got no bitch with China. They needed to change philosophies on their military and like many other countries are upgrading. Who am I to bitch about their system. If their people like it, great for them. Peace!!!! :D

Which would you prefer to sell to or should we let the sales go to other countries?

I would prefer the ARMS selling sanctions for all G8 contires that were in place be put back in place.

Bush removed all sanctions on sales to third world countires so any country can sell to anyone, including Iran and Syria.


It's not as if we are arming these people to the point where their capable of invading us....

Its not always about invading us.. :rolleyes: it is wrong to sale arms to both sides of a conflict. The sole purpose here is for the US to make money.

Our country is a fucking ARMS whore. DO anything for a buck.

BTW, a little historical fact that could shed light on the current issues: on this day in 1914, Great Britain declared war on Germany, effectively marking the beginning of WW1. The reasoons for this are so complex and long, but one of the main reasons was due to a massive arms race between these 2 countries. GB was strengthening its already powerful fleet like mad, but Germany was keeping up almost ship for ship. This is but one example.

But basically it amounted to this: tensions growing exponentially between nations until the bubble finally burst. Archduke Ferdinand was just the spark that lit the fuse.

And there were also a series of smaller-scaled wars that led up to it. Starting with the revolutions of 1848, the Crimean War, the Franco-Prussian war when Germany finally unified and instantly became a super-power, the Boer War in South Africa, the first revolution in Russia, the Russo-Japanese war where Japan declared itself as a major power, and finally the war in the Balkans.

It's a really fascinating history, IMHO moreso than WW2. Plus, some of the things happening about 100 years ago seem to be replaying themselves again, only with different players. Hopefully the conclusion won't be the same...

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Originally Posted by BlueCat

I would prefer the ARMS selling sanctions for all G8 contires that were in place be put back in place.

Bush removed all sanctions on sales to third world countires so any country can sell to anyone, including Iran and Syria.

Its not always about invading us.. :rolleyes: it is wrong to sale arms to both sides of a conflict. The sole purpose here is for the US to make money.

Our country is a fucking ARMS whore. DO anything for a buck.

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Your saying that the Clinton administration didn't sell arms to third world countries?

Arms sales are big buisiness. Like I stated, if we didn't do it, another country would.

WE are the arms whores....o.k. :rolleyes:
NO other country sells any arms, its allllll the U.S.! God love America!!! :D

No I never said Clinton did not sell arms...In fact I have posted that he was the major problem so don't put words in my mouth.

Yes arms sales is big business, and it is the corporations that make the arms that are running our government....

1993: A US Code of Conduct bill has been introduced in successive sessions of Congress since 1993.

1995: a group of Nobel Peace Laureates, led by former Costa Rican President Oscar Arias, proposed a comprehensive International Code of Conduct.

1998: the European Union (EU) accepted a regional Code of Conduct, the first group of states to do so.

In 1999, US Congress passed the International Code of Conduct Act, requiring the administration to pursue a multilateral agreement on uniform, strict export standards.

At the December 2000 US-EU Summit, the US and EU agreed to work together on this type of agreement.

Common themes in such codes include:

Not selling arms to non-democratic regimes, or regimes that will use the weapons to commit human rights abuses;
Not selling weapons where internal or external conflicts may be fueled;
Not selling weapons that could undermine development and thus increase poverty.

The arms industry is unlike any other. It operates without regulation. It suffers from widespread corruption and bribes. And it makes its profits on the back of machines designed to kill and maim human beings.

So who profits most from this murderous trade? The five permanent members of the UN Security Council - the USA, UK, France, Russia, and China. Together, they are responsible for eighty eight per cent of reported conventional arms exports.

Global military expenditure and arms trade is also the largest spending in the world at 900 billion dollars, annually.
As world trade globalizes, so does the trade in arms. In order to make up for lack of domestic sales, newer markets must be created.

USA, Russia, France and Britain do the largest businesses of arms trade in the world. Sometimes, these arms sales are made secretly and sometimes knowingly to human rights violators, military dictatorships and corrupt governments. This does not promote democracy in those nations.

http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolit...igBusiness.asp

The biggest arms dealer in the world--for decades running--has been the U.S. government. From 1996 to 2003, the U.S. supplied about 40 percent of the worldâ??s weapons each year. By comparison, Russia, the second biggest arms pusher, supplied about 15 percent.

During that period, the U.S. sold more than $100 billion worth of weapons--everything from small arms to land mines to ballistic missiles. The buyers were governments around the globe, through both direct Foreign Military Sales (direct sales by the U.S. government to various government) and Commercial Sales (sales by U.S. companies to foreign governments, with the approval of Washington).

For all of the Bush administrationâ??s rhetoric about fighting the â??war on terror,â?� according to a recently released report from the World Policy Institute (WPI), some of the U.S. governmentâ??s largest customers are involved in active conflicts--sometimes with each other.

http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-...msDealer.shtml

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