FDA to declare safe meat and milk from clone animals

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Originally Posted by Beeblebrox.420

Relax, pal. I'm not moderating here, I'm debating. You'll know when iI'm moderating, believe me. :D

I'm am neither threatened nor discouraged by your choice. I'm here to try to educate you and those reading this. In the end, that's really what a debate is meant to be. Ultimately, the free market will determine whether or not cloned meat is successful. All we can do is wait and see. If you choose not to defend your position, well, that's no skin off my nose, either.

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Hey beeblebrox. stop using well-thought out responses and arguements to make pisshead stop and think more about his point of view in its entirety. Where do you get off trying to bait him like that?

Lol. thought we could use a chuckle/

*snicker*

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Originally Posted by Beeblebrox.420

The advantage would be economic. Farms would no longer have to support males for breeding purposes. As a result, the price of beef would drop and farms would become more profitable. Economics drives all technological development in the private sector.

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Ah...im glad you brought that up now actually. Think about cannabis and hemp. There's more than abundance of it but the gov. insists on keeping it illegal because of all the free financial capital they canget from it. drug money is never taxed. its labeled as disposable income for government use.

Do you think that for a second if beef was privatised the government would look out for farmer joe? i dont know but using history...id say no.

They'd set up a monopoly or at least help those rich enough to contribute to their campaigns...wal-mart....microsoft...oil...anyone remember those? Truth is, farmers are going to get fucked. plain and simple. with them not being able to afford land...guess who gets to claim it when the mortgage doesnt get paid and the bank has an auction...

...think walmart....smallville style...

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Originally Posted by Beeblebrox.420

The advantage would be economic. Farms would no longer have to support males for breeding purposes. As a result, the price of beef would drop and farms would become more profitable. Economics drives all technological development in the private sector.

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But would there really be an economic advantage? How much does it really cost to support breeding males. I don't know about genetics/cloning but I do know about semiconductor production. It can cost billions of $ to build a modern wafer fab. I can imaging something as high tech as building a mass cloning/genetic engineering facility would be equally expensive. How long would it take to make up that cost?

Not arguing with ya Beeble, these are just the questions I ask myself on this issue.

farming hasn't been that big of a problem in the past couple hundred years...people have survived without this in the past...there's no reason it should be going on.

They wouldn't need to build any additional infrastructure. All they would need to do is to farm out the actual cloning process to existing laboratories, who are already set up do do similar work, such as artificial insemination. The farm would only need a technician to do the actual implanation into the female cows intended to give birth to the cloned offspring.

mmm, sounds tasty.

i'll stick with the local farmer's market, it has seemed to work for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Beeblebrox.420

They wouldn't need to build any additional infrastructure. All they would need to do is to farm out the actual cloning process to existing laboratories, who are already set up do do similar work, such as artificial insemination. The farm would only need a technician to do the actual implanation into the female cows intended to give birth to the cloned offspring.

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Maybe...but the existing facilities are doing this on a very limited basis. Could they really handle the volume required for mass food production?

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Originally Posted by Beeblebrox.420

They wouldn't need to build any additional infrastructure. All they would need to do is to farm out the actual cloning process to existing laboratories, who are already set up do do similar work, such as artificial insemination. The farm would only need a technician to do the actual implanation into the female cows intended to give birth to the cloned offspring.

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Originally Posted by pisshead

mmm, sounds tasty.

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Lol :D !

Yeah, i'm gonna have to go with Pisshead on this one. You could show me all the lab blueprints you want but funnily enough, i'd rather have the real thing. So sue me.

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Originally Posted by Button Basher

Lol :D !

Yeah, i'm gonna have to go with Pisshead on this one. You could show me all the lab blueprints you want but funnily enough, i'd rather have the real thing. So sue me.

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Yeh im down with the basher on that one. If you told me all cloned food would go towards world aid then i'll rally for that cause. but as for supporting commercialism where i choose between either "original cloned" or "new classic cloning" then what's the point?