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Some psycho called into Art Bells radio show on Coast to Coast AM in 1997 when he was doing a show asking current or ex Area 51 employees to call in.
He claimed to be a former employee of Area 51 and warned that "they've infiltrated a lot of aspects of the military establishment, particularly the area 51...the disasters are comming...the government knows about them and theres a lot of safe areas in this world that we could begin moving the population to now...they want those major population centers wiped out so that the few that are left will be more easily controllable."
Art Bell gets a lot of nuts like this, the difference this time was that the satellite transmitting to all the eager listeners lost earth lock and Coast to Coast AM along with about 50 other channels went off air for a duration of about half an hour.
http://www.metatech.org/Art%20Bell%2...051%20Call.mp3
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Some people are freakishly smart. It all started with the lightbulb. With another 400 yrs of computer science There should be someone smart enough to create a life engine total AI.
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http://www.io2technology.com/dojo/196/v.jsp?p=/home
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I don't think the people who believe that we have been visited by members of a civilization from a distant star have a sufficient grasp of the sheer scale of the problems involved with interstellar space travel. The nearest star is about 4.3 light years from us, which means at the speed of light, a journey would take 4.3 years, one way. The problem with this, is that the speed of light is is impossible to actually reach. Einstein realized that when he wrote his theory of Special relativity, wherein he introduces the famous equation, e = mc^2. It was known since Newton's time that moving objects had energy, and that this energy could be calculated with E-sub-k = 1/2mv^2. Einstein went one step further, and realized that since mass and energy were equivalent, that moving objects not only gain energy, but mass, as well. And this mass could be calculated with a rearrangement of e = mc^2: m=e/c^2. He could then plug this into his equation and see that as the the velocity, approaches the speed of light, the kinetic energy, and therefore the mass, would increase exponentially towards infinity. As a result, it becomes a practical impossibility to drive a ship much faster than about 9% of c, or so. We know there are no planets of significant size around Alpha Centauri because we have not detected any gravitational effects, and, in fact the nearest known extrasolar planet is about 15 light years away.
Another problem is a technological one. We have difficulty manufacturing complex systems which can operate continuously for very long periods of time without extensive maintenance and availability of replacement parts. There needs to be a huge exostructure in place to supply parts and labor to keep something even only as complex as a Boeing 737 operating over a period of years. In average service, such a plane needs millions of man-hours of maintenance, several engine overhauls and a few complete engine changes, as well as tens of thousands of replacement parts for all the subsystems necessary to keep the plane flying. On a space ship, you can have none of this. Eventually, you reach a point where so much of your fuel is being used to merely move the store of replacement parts or support an army of maintenance personnel that it becomes practically impossible to take the journey. Very advanced civilizations may be able to partially overcome some of these obstacles, but not by much. The laws of physics apply equally everywhere. Parts don't wear out because they aren't made well, they wear out because of inherent physical limitations. Moving parts undergo friction - it is unavoidable. Microelectronics suffer thermal breakdown over time, because there is no such thing as a static atom or molecule. They move and bounce off each other, breaking some bonds and forming entirely new ones. These things are true for all real-world materials. Even ones we can't imagine yet
A third problem is life support. There are essentially two ways to make such a journey. One is to keep the crew fed and supplied with water (or suitable intake chemistry). This again means more mass and more energy consumed. The more people, the worse the problem becomes. Compounding this issue is the law of entropy. Entropy says essentially that the amount of disorder in the universe will always increase, on average. This becomes even worse in closed systems. Free energy proposals all violate this principle. If you remember the failure of the Biosphere experiment, you'll have a good grasp of the nature of the problem. Again, a sufficiently advanced civilization may be able to extend this beyond our current capabilities, but not by all that much. The law of diminishing returns applies here, too.
The other way is to freeze everyone, or induce some other sort of "suspended animation". This seems to me to be the most likely method to work for journeys to nearby stars, but it's not without its technical challenges. The problem of technology failure over time I mentioned earlier still applies, and the amount of energy needed to accomplish it may even exceed the energy requirements to keep a crew awake and alive - I haven't worked out any numbers. In short, I think a sufficiently-advanced race of intelligent beings might be able to make a 15-20 light year journey successfully, but going significantly further will become increasingly problematic.
I could write a book, but I'll just end it there.
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of corpse, theres aliens. that ones easy! a supreme creator tho? probably science fiction.
this concludes The Euphoric Hour. Stay tuned next week when i answer the meaning of life and how to tie your shoe laces while smoking a bowl.
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Originally Posted by Beeblebrox.420
As a result, it becomes a practical impossibility to drive a ship much faster than about 9% of c, or so.
Ack! That should read 90%, not 9.
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I bet there is other life out there. Probably intelligent life too. Considering the sheer size of the universe, the billions upon billions of galaxies, it would be naïve to assume that we are the only planet with life. However I doubt we've been visited by any intelligent extraterrestrial life forms. Somehow I think they would make their arrival a little more noticeable to the planet's inhabitants than burning a few crop circles into England and sticking some anal probes in some rednecks.
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Maybe they found a wormhole, or a way to open their own.
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Yes. The aliens are coming. Brush up on your Klingon and wrap your head in foil.
But seriously ... I highly doubt were alone in this universe. Just waiting for some definitive proof.
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Originally Posted by nakedgunner
i think aliens did make computer there is no way humans could do this with just the stuff we had on our earth. think about it. once we starded out on earth there was nothing but natural things such as rocks trees and stuff like that how could a human think of wat things to put together to make plastic and shit like that
Well, over thousands and thousands of years, through trial and error, people slowly figured out the various properties of materials and their combinations. People invented alchemy, then early chemistry, and now modern molecular and quantum physics. Just like your hypothetical alien race would have to, before they then overcame all of Beeblebrox's problems of interstellar travel, went to Earth, and snuck their inventions into human society.
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Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy ZR,
I believe that God has many children throughout the universe..what I would like to know is,do those other 'children' acknowledge a Creator ? Or did they become secularist and begin believing that they were in fact,Devine ? Have they turned their backs on God..like many humans have ? Do they practice amoral relativism,as the Left continues to demand that we all engage in ? Have they cast aside their humilty and gratefulness,as some liberals,secularists and aetheists have ? Is there any compelling reason for aliens to be moral and compassionate ?
As a veteran,I view the aliens as a threat,as long as they keep sneaking around and violating US air-space,they should be shot down,if possible..the hardest problem is gittin a target lock on em. If I had been in Phoenix when that big slow-moving,large,triangular craft went over the city,I would have shot at it with a 30-06 or something larger caliber,like a 50 cal. If one of our THEL lasers could git a lock,I'm sure that would freak out the aliens,but I'm thinking that a Tesla weapon or EMP pulse,would probably disrupt their drive system.
I'm also curious as to whether the aliens are gonna interfere with the use of any nuclear weapons,in case we have to hit Iran or NK with some RNEP's..from what I've read,the aliens are opposed to nukes,because they cause alot of sub-space damage,and there are life-forms in sub-space,that are devastated by their use and because nukes cause alot of other damage as well,that we may not even understand yet.
Have a good one !
Damn TOROG that was deep,Thank you for your service no one seem s to thank Vets or God anymore.Me I allways thank the Vets first & God second thank you again TOROG for deffending against all life forms. :cool:
