Propossed Compassion Center in Providence RI..Has this been Posted Here Before?

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Originally Posted by oceangrown

I read through , while not every word of the 400+ pages. A lot of the info on medicinal cannabis was just cut and pasted. I guess if they had plants already in flower , they could have meds in 60 days . If you started from a clone for example, youd need to veg at least 1-3 weeks and flower at least 50 days , with most being 60+ days. SO that's at the earliest 57 days , and that not including drying and hopefully at least a 4 week + cure!

I did not see them list 32 strains just these-

Afghan (pure)
â?¢ Treatment: â??narcotic, sedative, relaxing; chronic pain, muscle spasms, anti-nausea,
antiemetic, and appetite stimulantâ?� (Ed Rosenthal, RIPAC and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 100% Indica
â?¢ Parents: Landrace heritage
Aurora Indica
â?¢ Treatment: â??fast, effective sedative, sleep inducerâ?� (Ed Rosenthal and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 90/10 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Nirvana Northern Lights and Nirvana Afghan
White Rhino
â?¢ Treatment: â??prized in medical community for effective relief of chronic pain; relaxing,
narcotic-benefit, chronic pain, anti-nausea, antiemetic, and appetite stimulantâ?� (RIPAC
and Ed Rosenthal)
â?¢ Strain: 90/10 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Afghan and Brazilian/South Indian
Vanilla Kush
â?¢ Treatment: â??Higher than usual CBD levels even for typical Indica strains; Medical
patients specifically report immediate relief from muscle spasms, headaches; Sedation,
Muscle Spasm Relief/Muscle Relaxation, Pain Reliefâ?� (Danny Danko and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 80/20 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Kashmir Hash Plant and Kush
Big Bang
â?¢ Treatment: â??Physical, muscle relaxation, pain relief, semi-narcotic ;Known for medicinal
properties and chosen by many medicinal users in Holland where it is known as Simm-
18, known to be good for muscle relaxer, for MS and chronic pain alleviationâ?� (Ed
Rosenthal and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 80/20 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Skunk/Northern Lights and El Nino
Blueberry
â?¢ Treatment: chronic pain, muscle spasms, anti-nausea, antiemetic, and appetite stimulant
(RIPAC, Ed Rosenthal and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 80/20 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Blueberry strains
Blue Cheese
â?¢ Treatment: MS, chronic pain, muscle spasms, anti-nausea, antiemetic, and appetite
stimulant (Ed Rosenthal, RIPAC and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 80/20 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Blueberry and bug Buddha cheese
Hope Apothecary 2010©
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Chronic
â?¢ Treatment: â??Effect is head and body; muscle spasms, anti-nausea, antiemetic, and
appetite stimulant (Ed Rosenthal, RIPAC and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 50/50
â?¢ Parents: Northern Lights Skunk, Northern lights, AK-47
White Widow
â?¢ Treatment: â?? Effect is head and body; epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, and other seizurerelated
illnesses (RIPAC and Ed Rosenthal)
â?¢ Strain: 60/40 Sativa Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Indian / Brazilian
AK-47
â?¢ Treatment: â??Alert, appetite stimulant, chronic painâ?� (Ed Rosenthal, RIPAC and other
sources)
â?¢ Strain: 65/35 Sativa Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Columbian, Mexican, Thai, Afghani


With sources cited as RIPAC , ed rosenthal , and Donny Darko of HIGH TIMES
High times top 10 medical list is so influenced by who advertises with them too

Their application was very detailed and looked great , but if your growing crappy strains ......

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First off, the bible says you don't need 4 weeks to dry and cure. My own experience confirms this too. 2 to 3 weeks tops, a little less if you figure out the couple trick to keep the taste sweet. So your first paragraph statement has a couple of holes in it. Ironically, I'm not saying you did, but it looks cut and pasted from some how to website.

Second, if you drafting a business plan, the best way to look like you did you homework is to reiterate the known industries alleged top professionals that the perveying party would be familiar with (ie, RIPAC, Ed Rosenthal, etc). You don't have to name every strain you will produce, but, it would be very wise to list the most popular and well-known strains of which will only help to establish to "Non-Industry" buffs, unlike us, that you have a clue about what you are doing. Nothing more, nothing less.

Third, and most poinient, what the HELL is a crappy strain???? I hate to break it you buddy, it has nothing to do with the strain, it has everything to do with the phenom!!!! You can grow 24 plants of the exact same strain and get 24 different potencies and yields with each plant. If you use 24 different feeding regiments, you'd even get pretty much 24 slightly different tasting plants too!

So your strain argument puzzles me??? Are you saying White Widow is a bad strain. Do you know that I've tasted over 15 different variations of this medicine and have gotten some great and horribly things from all them? Most of them had different effects... The problem is you are relying too much on the internet and not enough off the shelf reading by the more experience producers of MM.

Strains are pain specific, smoking is used primarily to get high though, well, with that being said I can see your argument. Accept for one thing brainiac, all strains react differently, in slight variations, for each indivual user. ;)

So you argument that any type of strain generally sucks at all shows that you have completely missed the point of the whole program and know very little about MM or its true purpose. If your using to just get high then you are part of the problem now aren't you...lmfao

I also find it funny how you love to slam people, organization's and boast that some of these organization are crooks they endorse the very people you were slamming on the same website. R U sure you're not a RIPAC plant seeing as how you just endorsed them a little while ago by posting their enews article....I'm just sayin:thumbsup:

So please be a little constructive newbie, your opions are wanted but not at the expense of having you run around like a know-it-all lunatic with not substance or real-world experience to back you your claims.

TRY POSTING A QUESTION AS OPPOSED TO A STATEMENT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT WHO THINKS THAT ADDING A LITTLE CONFIDENCE TO ONES STATMENT WILL PERSUED!!!!!!!!!!! Unless, of course, your right all the time....lol

Have you even tried any of the MM from some of these applicants????

I have for many and the quality is anything but crap. It's actually better than a lot of the stuff floating around Europe. Ironically, the best stuff is reserved for the regulars and they retail all the substandard med's... Go Fig!!!

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Originally Posted by CuriousDaimon

2.12 Compassion Center Authorized Activities. A compassion center registered pursuant to §5.0 of these Regulations may acquire, possess, cultivate, manufacture, deliver, transfer, transport, supply, or dispense marijuana, or related supplies and educational materials, to registered qualifying patients and their registered primary caregivers who have designated it as one of their primary caregivers.

5.1.2 A compassion center shall not acquire, possess, cultivate, manufacture, deliver, transfer, transport, supply or dispense marijuana for any purpose except to assist registered qualifying patients with the medical use of marijuana directly or through the qualifying patientâ??s other primary caregiver.

There are heavy inventory requirements within the law, but nothing that explicitly requires documentation of where medicine is acquired.

6.11 A registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver may give marijuana to another registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver to whom they are not connected through the Departmentâ??s registration process established pursuant to these Regulations, provided that no consideration is paid for the marijuana, and that the recipient does not exceed the applicable limits specified in §2.8 of these Regulations.

So, in a nutshell, the law does not seem to protect the sale of medical marijuana from a patient or caregiver to a compassion center. The only protected transaction that is protected by law (as described at RIPAC orientation) is between a patient and his/her registered caregiver. Otherwise, gifts only.

6.5 A primary caregiver may receive reimbursement for costs associated with assisting a registered qualifying patient's medical use of marijuana. Compensation shall not constitute sale of controlled substances.

Highflyer seems to be correct that the law would have to be changed in order for compassion centers to be able to acquire medicine from patients/caregivers and allow those people to be compensated.

None of the applications I have read account within their budgets to acquire medicine. There is a standard ramp-up timetable, and those centers that deviate will most likely not be licensed. One center has networked with patients and caregivers to have strains donated. This might be a successful model, but does not warrant self-sufficiency.

I don't think Rhode Island will go the way of California, where growers can supplement their incomes by selling to dispensaries.

I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on Television. I do, however, like to read and be thorough. Please, if you have salient data that refutes my interpretation...I insist you share. All of the above quotes are right out of the Slater law itself, available on the RI DOH website and linked various times on this forum.

Be well,

CD

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Well, thanks to the pleasantries of Oceangrown I again feel the need to enlighted without being a jerk. Unfortunately, he is correct though. The law states:

5.1.2 A compassion center shall not acquire, possess, cultivate, manufacture, deliver, transfer, transport, supply or dispense marijuana for any purpose except to assist registered qualifying patients with the medical use of marijuana directly or through the qualifying patientâ??s other primary caregiver.

As always, the biggest down fall of the law is that it is subject to individual interpretation. If you read the law and seperate each sentence, it actually give the paragraph a different meaning than the whole which is why law is always drafted in section upon subsection, etc.

So if you break down this part of the law as I just did. It means that CC can in fact buy from registered MM society. They can only do so if they are running low and cannot meet patients demand. In other words, no stockpiling like they do in CA.

This way theres little chance of a registered MM person to walk in and sell med's. They will most likely work with a small group of growers and buy from them when supplies or low or they want to introduce new product. So yes, the CG's should not be able to make a living off MM like they do in Cali.

On another note, no figures are needed in here for this particular section because, technically, they are just facilitating a transfer and this system will not allow them to stockpile med's. Simply put, you order, we hunt for and get, you buy.

So the law is pretty much complete and leaves little room to navigate. It's just a different one than the ones put forth in the other states. I think it's the only real shot at keeping the med's costs down if the right CC's are selected. There in lies the hard part...

Hope this was helpful:thumbsup:

The CC Man:hippy:

see the thing is...... NO ONE HERE KNOWS FOR SURE................................No one here wrote the law or works at the Health Department or with any organization that would know.If you go by the written laws, WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE GRAY AREAS AND THINGS THAT ARE NOT CLEAR SO NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON HERE CAN SAY HOW IT WORKS 100%...And if someone says YES i do know it all ied like to meet you.

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Originally Posted by hghflyrjd1

see the thing is...... NO ONE HERE KNOWS FOR SURE................................No one here wrote the law or works at the Health Department or with any organization that would know.If you go by the written laws, WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE GRAY AREAS AND THINGS THAT ARE NOT CLEAR SO NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON HERE CAN SAY HOW IT WORKS 100%...And if someone says YES i do know it all ied like to meet you.

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Unfortunatly, you are pretty much correct. I do know the law very well though and when you see the work EXCEPT, that word is not subject to intrepretation since it is an exception to the existing law.

So, even though it leaves no room to wiggle. I've witnessed first hand and watched when judge(s) decide to reinterperet the law so even though the law may be cut and dry, a judge can overule whatever law they really want. Most people cannot bare the burden of a long legal battle and they know it!

Granted, it may not hold up but in the case of MM, but once you appeal it could eventually go to fed court and that's where the game will end.

Ironically, I've actually worked with an organizations that do "know" which is why I'm pretty certain how I explained it is how it is. Again, not a lawyer here and any insite I offer is in no way legal advice. Law is simple, we just over complicate it. Of which is the main reason I will never become a lawyer.

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Originally Posted by theccman

First off, the bible says you don't need 4 weeks to dry and cure. My own experience confirms this too. 2 to 3 weeks tops, a little less if you figure out the couple trick to keep the taste sweet. So your first paragraph statement has a couple of holes in it.

This shows how much real 1st hand experience you really have . Do some research on curing.....

Ironically, I'm not saying you did, but it looks cut and pasted from some how to website.


No , I got it from Jorge's book like yourself, lol , no ....

Second, if you drafting a business plan, the best way to look like you did you homework is to reiterate the known industries alleged top professionals that the perveying party would be familiar with (ie, RIPAC, Ed Rosenthal, etc). You don't have to name every strain you will produce, but, it would be very wise to list the most popular and well-known strains of which will only help to establish to "Non-Industry" buffs, unlike us, that you have a clue about what you are doing. Nothing more, nothing less.


Untrue, research Harborside and their consulting firm. You'd be better follow what leading CC's in california and CO are up too.

Third, and most poinient, what the HELL is a crappy strain???? I hate to break it you buddy, it has nothing to do with the strain, it has everything to do with the phenom!!!! You can grow 24 plants of the exact same strain and get 24 different potencies and yields with each plant. If you use 24 different feeding regiments, you'd even get pretty much 24 slightly different tasting plants too!


1st off , what is a phenom? Also shows your inexperience . Your referring to pheno , which a shortned term for phenotype. the 24 different plant example, also show inexperience . Sure slight variations, but nothing like your saying.

So your strain argument puzzles me??? Are you saying White Widow is a bad strain. Do you know that I've tasted over 15 different variations of this medicine and have gotten some great and horribly things from all them? Most of them had different effects... The problem is you are relying too much on the internet and not enough off the shelf reading by the more experience producers of MM.


Im saying white widow is old. It's not newer breeding , its from the 90's . Newer breeds are more potent and also many are getting CBD worked back into their genetics. As CBD is the real medicine in marijuana . Use your own advice about relying on others info, I have experience....

Strains are pain specific, smoking is used primarily to get high though, well, with that being said I can see your argument. Accept for one thing brainiac, all strains react differently, in slight variations, for each indivual user. ;)

So you argument that any type of strain generally sucks at all shows that you have completely missed the point of the whole program and know very little about MM or its true purpose. If your using to just get high then you are part of the problem now aren't you...lmfao

Ignorance is the problem....

I also find it funny how you love to slam people, organization's and boast that some of these organization are crooks they endorse the very people you were slamming on the same website. R U sure you're not a RIPAC plant seeing as how you just endorsed them a little while ago by posting their enews article....I'm just sayin:thumbsup:

Never said any organization was a crook , just HTG isn't the best option, my only slamming.

So please be a little constructive newbie, your opions are wanted but not at the expense of having you run around like a know-it-all lunatic with not substance or real-world experience to back you your claims.

What real experience do you have. Your first posts like 2 years ago was about your "FIRST GROW EVER".....

TRY POSTING A QUESTION AS OPPOSED TO A STATEMENT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT WHO THINKS THAT ADDING A LITTLE CONFIDENCE TO ONES STATMENT WILL PERSUED!!!!!!!!!!! Unless, of course, your right all the time....lol

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Originally Posted by theccman

Unfortunatly, you are pretty much correct. I do know the law very well though and when you see the work EXCEPT, that word is not subject to intrepretation since it is an exception to the existing law.

So, even though it leaves no room to wiggle. I've witnessed first hand and watched when judge(s) decide to reinterperet the law so even though the law may be cut and dry, a judge can overule whatever law they really want. Most people cannot bare the burden of a long legal battle and they know it!

Granted, it may not hold up but in the case of MM, but once you appeal it could eventually go to fed court and that's where the game will end.

Ironically, I've actually worked with an organizations that do "know" which is why I'm pretty certain how I explained it is how it is. Again, not a lawyer here and any insite I offer is in no way legal advice. Law is simple, we just over complicate it. Of which is the main reason I will never become a lawyer.

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It's not a grey area with this. The health department answered that specific question , that was put forth by a potential CC. It's all there on the site for all to see.


Also CC , don't take my posts in a negative light! I enjoy a positive argument! It's good for all to see many different sides and angles. :rasta:

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Originally Posted by theccman

Have you even tried any of the MM from some of these applicants????

I have for many and the quality is anything but crap. It's actually better than a lot of the stuff floating around Europe. Ironically, the best stuff is reserved for the regulars and they retail all the substandard med's... Go Fig!!!

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Also the quality in europe , really sucks compared to stateside. Personally I can't say I have sampled any of their meds. It's just I see holes in their time line and not impressed with the strains they listed, is all . For all I know it could be the most amazing medicine there is? I have no idea , just what I read in the apps.

I would be most interested to hear descriptions of med's you have sampled from potential CC operators!!!

The Missing Link

9. Q: Can compassion centers purchase seedlings and/or mother plants from qualified caregivers?
A: Section 5.1.2 a of the Rules and Regulations Relating to the Medical Marijuana Program [â??R21 28.6 MMPâ?�], permits a compassion center to acquire marijuana through â??a qualifying patientâ??s other primary caregiver.â?�

I think this is what Oceangrown in referring to. You were right, there was a direct answer given by the state. I will leave this statement open to interpretation.

The follow-up speculation would be whether a selected CC will buy your medicine. I would be happy to sample anybody's product to give "expert" opinion.
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--CD

Still curious too how one gets a certification for being a "Dutch Grower"??:rastasmoke: