Growers Guild Headed Up By John Monad of Medical Marijuana Radio??
Growers Guild Headed Up By John Monad of Medical Marijuana Radio??
This thread from October, 2010, makes interesting reading today, seven months later. You remember, that was before: the 150 plant limit; Gov. Martinez; 25 LNPPs.
And we all remember that for patients the value of the licensed producers is found in the equation of quality, quantity, variety and price of their medicine. Which is a pretty important part of what the Medical Cannabis Program -- apart from all its legal, medical, social, and political aspects -- is all about.
So, what has happened to the price, quality, and availability of medical cannabis in New Mexico in the last year? The DOH was supposed to report on that, but they never did. How does New Mexico compare with other states?
And wouldn't it be really interesting if someone could comment authoritatively on what is going on with the price, quality, choice, and availability of "illicit" cannabis products, imported (California or Colorado?) or domestic?
Growers Guild Headed Up By John Monad of Medical Marijuana Radio??
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Originally Posted by MimbresValley
No mimbres valley is not my name, I thought kids gave me a hard time growing up with my name, guess things could have been worse, haha.
Honestly I am simply a medical patient here in new mexico, who has also been a patient in numerous other states, and I simply think the prices on cannabis are ridiculous. To me charging someone who is sick 13.00$ a gram, is drug dealer status in my honest opinion,
I can go down the street and get an 8th of amazing chronic imported from cali for 45.00$-50.00$ from the local drug dealer. And luckily the local drug dealer offers volume discounts, unlike the producers, so if me and my fellow medical patients did want to chip in and get lets say quarter pound, its only going to be 900.00$ dollars, thats about 600.00$ less than going through the producers.
I know with 8 years of growing experience it should not cost an average of 13.00$ a gram. after a recent meeting with some fellow patients, one of which has pancreatic cancer currently in chemo therapy,and could not afford the prices the producers are charging.
So I decided to stand up and make my voice heard and take a stand for the patients of new mexico, I could continue growing my own herb and sticking to myself, as what the producers charge has no effect whatsoever on me personally.
I have only positive motives, I am not against herb.
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Originally Posted by MimbresValley
No mimbres valley is not my name, I thought kids gave me a hard time growing up with my name, guess things could have been worse, haha.
Honestly I am simply a medical patient here in new mexico, who has also been a patient in numerous other states, and I simply think the prices on cannabis are ridiculous. To me charging someone who is sick 13.00$ a gram, is drug dealer status in my honest opinion,
I can go down the street and get an 8th of amazing chronic imported from cali for 45.00$-50.00$ from the local drug dealer. And luckily the local drug dealer offers volume discounts, unlike the producers, so if me and my fellow medical patients did want to chip in and get lets say quarter pound, its only going to be 900.00$ dollars, thats about 600.00$ less than going through the producers.
I know with 8 years of growing experience it should not cost an average of 13.00$ a gram. after a recent meeting with some fellow patients, one of which has pancreatic cancer currently in chemo therapy,and could not afford the prices the producers are charging.
So I decided to stand up and make my voice heard and take a stand for the patients of new mexico, I could continue growing my own herb and sticking to myself, as what the producers charge has no effect whatsoever on me personally.
I have only positive motives, I am not against herb.
I am fairly new to these forums and found this thread. I am curious about your math. You state that you can buy "amazing chronic" on the street for $45/eighth. That is $12.87/gram. Which is $360/ounce and $5,760 per pound. Your quarter pound would cost $1,440 before any discounts. You're saying that your street dealer would discount that much if you only pay $900/quarter. WOW!!!! So with that deep of a discount, you would be paying $8/gram. 35% off. That's great. BUT do you know if that was grown organically as is required by the NM rules and regulations? Do you know if there is any mold? Do you know if there are any spider mites? Do you know what pesticides were used if it wasn't grown organically?
You are aware that the rules state that the producers CANNOT offer quantity discounts. It isn't that the producers don't want to offer them, they cannot. Big difference. Place the blame where it belongs.
You are not against herb. But apparently you are against the LNPPs and the way the state is handling the program. You probably think the medicine should be given to the patients at no cost. That would be great and would probably happen but for a few things.....costs to produce and risk. Unlike patients with personal production license, most if not all of the producers have built or modified existing structures in order to grow indoors. Indoor growing is a lot more difficult and costly than outdoor growing. The number of plants increases the risk. Risk of detection. Risk of arrest. Risk of the cartels. Risk of seizure and forfeiture of property. If it were so easy to do, all of the patients would have production licenses and there wouldn't be a need for the LNPP. As with anything, not everyone is able to take advantage of the least expensive way to go. If you smoke cigarettes, do you grow your own tobacco? Probably not. If you drink, do you brew your own beer or distill your own liquor? Again, doubtful. So, quality costs more. Be patient and the prices will drop. But, from your math, you are willing to pay $45/gram illegally, so what is the deal about paying the same legally?
Growers Guild Headed Up By John Monad of Medical Marijuana Radio??
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Originally Posted by DemingNonProfit
Why would it seem "kinda fishy" just because two groups have the same acronyms? Other than "CPA" (certified public accountant) which is trademarked and cannot legally be used by any other group (certified patient advocate or certified physicians assistant for example) you will find a lot of groups with differing names but the same acronym.
There have been postings regarding the producer's guild and it's purpose. It is a professional organization where experienced growers can assist the newbies. It is not a monopoly! For Heavens sake! just like the patient groups are designed to give one voice for the patients, the Guild was designed to give one voice for the producers. As with any group, you aren't going to have 100% participation. And, you aren't always going to have total agreement on every issue. But to call it a "monopoly" is a misuse of the word. The DOH set the rules to establish the producers. There is no price fixing either. And if you haven't noticed, prices from the older producers have decreased. I don't know about those from SFINM as I have not seen anything from them in a while even though I am registered with them. But NMNM and SWOP have both reduced their prices recently. And the prices in Cali have decreased considerably if you can believe the High Times articles. NM will get there eventually. By the way, many of the producers have established means by which to provide medicine at a discount to those patients that do not have the resources. Those that can pay are helping those that cannot.
Growers Guild Headed Up By John Monad of Medical Marijuana Radio??
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Originally Posted by CFO
I am fairly new to these forums and found this thread. I am curious about your math. You state that you can buy "amazing chronic" on the street for $45/eighth. That is $12.87/gram. Which is $360/ounce and $5,760 per pound. Your quarter pound would cost $1,440 before any discounts. You're saying that your street dealer would discount that much if you only pay $900/quarter. WOW!!!! So with that deep of a discount, you would be paying $8/gram. 35% off. That's great. BUT do you know if that was grown organically as is required by the NM rules and regulations? Do you know if there is any mold? Do you know if there are any spider mites? Do you know what pesticides were used if it wasn't grown organically?
You are aware that the rules state that the producers CANNOT offer quantity discounts. It isn't that the producers don't want to offer them, they cannot. Big difference. Place the blame where it belongs.
You are not against herb. But apparently you are against the LNPPs and the way the state is handling the program. You probably think the medicine should be given to the patients at no cost. That would be great and would probably happen but for a few things.....costs to produce and risk. Unlike patients with personal production license, most if not all of the producers have built or modified existing structures in order to grow indoors. Indoor growing is a lot more difficult and costly than outdoor growing. The number of plants increases the risk. Risk of detection. Risk of arrest. Risk of the cartels. Risk of seizure and forfeiture of property. If it were so easy to do, all of the patients would have production licenses and there wouldn't be a need for the LNPP. As with anything, not everyone is able to take advantage of the least expensive way to go. If you smoke cigarettes, do you grow your own tobacco? Probably not. If you drink, do you brew your own beer or distill your own liquor? Again, doubtful. So, quality costs more. Be patient and the prices will drop. But, from your math, you are willing to pay $45/gram illegally, so what is the deal about paying the same legally?
You obviously know zero about the market... california has had medical marijuana for like 10 years now?, the prices in the dispensaries have not dropped at all, when 215 was passed back in the day 8ths were 50- 60.00$ many many years later 8ths are still50- 60.00$.
THE PRICES WILL NEVER DROP...
do a little research about the market before you go making claims you know zero about.
NO DROP IN PRICE, WHY? because people don't want to give up that fat paycheck... google richard lee guy is a multi millionare from selling legal cannabis to sick patients.
... wholesale prices from the growers have dropped signifignatly in cali though for grade 1 buds, but the places that sell(dispensaries) still want to cash in at the expense of people who are suffering.
Lbs of the most dank herb can be picked up for 2,200.00$ a pound in cali, here in new mexico pounds imported from cali go for about 3,300 on the street.
as a personal producer who has grown for 8 years and lived in several medical states I can state for a fact it costs me only about 300.00$ to produce a pound of cannabis indooors. outdoors much less.
The herb on the street that I get here in NM(generally imported from cali) IS WAYYYYYY BETTER than anything being grown here currently and WAY cheaper, period.
(better growers in cali, more experience, more competetion etc...)
Growers Guild Headed Up By John Monad of Medical Marijuana Radio??
here is how the market works.
someone grows 10 pounds of herb, he could either sell it by the gram, 448 grams in a pound, so he would have to make 448 indivdual sales just to sale one pound doing by the gram...
OR he could unload it all at once... but obviously the larger amount you buy the more of a volume discount a person gets on the street.
So the guy who grew the 10 lbs he probably will sell off 1lb at a time for 3,000.00$ a pound or let the whole ten pack go for 20 grand.
then somene splits that up.
On the street small time growers buy ounces and then hustle grams and a couple 8ths to make money..
the next fish above that person might by quater pounds then hustle ounces to people.
that guy gets his herb from the seller who sells pounds.. the guy who sells pounds doesn't fuck with selling grams... chump change to them
the guy who gets pounds gets them from the grower.
in every transaction the price increases.
Growers Guild Headed Up By John Monad of Medical Marijuana Radio??
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Growers Guild Headed Up By John Monad of Medical Marijuana Radio??
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Originally Posted by MimbresValley
You obviously know zero about the market... california has had medical marijuana for like 10 years now?, the prices in the dispensaries have not dropped at all, when 215 was passed back in the day 8ths were 50- 60.00$ many many years later 8ths are still50- 60.00$.
THE PRICES WILL NEVER DROP...
do a little research about the market before you go making claims you know zero about.
NO DROP IN PRICE, WHY? because people don't want to give up that fat paycheck... google richard lee guy is a multi millionare from selling legal cannabis to sick patients.
... wholesale prices from the growers have dropped signifignatly in cali though for grade 1 buds, but the places that sell(dispensaries) still want to cash in at the expense of people who are suffering.
Lbs of the most dank herb can be picked up for 2,200.00$ a pound in cali, here in new mexico pounds imported from cali go for about 3,300 on the street.
as a personal producer who has grown for 8 years and lived in several medical states I can state for a fact it costs me only about 300.00$ to produce a pound of cannabis indooors. outdoors much less.
The herb on the street that I get here in NM(generally imported from cali) IS WAYYYYYY BETTER than anything being grown here currently and WAY cheaper, period.
(better growers in cali, more experience, more competetion etc...)
ANYTHING being imported is still ILLEGAL! And as an individual with a personal production license, growing a pound would be against program rules. So, tell me, what do you do with the 10 ounces over your allowable amount? Do you take it to the local law enforcement for legal disposal as the rules state? Or do you have "special permission" to produce more than 6 ounces?
Growers Guild Headed Up By John Monad of Medical Marijuana Radio??
So are you a cop or do you work for the DOH?
As I said I have lived in numerous states that have medical marijuana and have been a legal medical patient for 8 years.. not every state has the same laws- you do realize that right?!?
Common sense, ----now If I have been a medical legal medical patient for 8 years and the program in new mexico is like 2-3 years old... do the math..
maybe thats the problem you are unable to due the math so you think everything is just peachy here.
anyways IMO job the DOH has done in getting meds to patients at a resonable cost is a joke, I hope Susana fires the whole DOH and gets some people in the postion who actually have the patients best interests in mind.
Growers Guild Headed Up By John Monad of Medical Marijuana Radio??
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Originally Posted by MimbresValley
here is how the market works.
someone grows 10 pounds of herb, he could either sell it by the gram, 448 grams in a pound, so he would have to make 448 indivdual sales just to sale one pound doing by the gram...
OR he could unload it all at once... but obviously the larger amount you buy the more of a volume discount a person gets on the street.
So the guy who grew the 10 lbs he probably will sell off 1lb at a time for 3,000.00$ a pound or let the whole ten pack go for 20 grand.
then somene splits that up.
On the street small time growers buy ounces and then hustle grams and a couple 8ths to make money..
the next fish above that person might by quater pounds then hustle ounces to people.
that guy gets his herb from the seller who sells pounds.. the guy who sells pounds doesn't fuck with selling grams... chump change to them
the guy who gets pounds gets them from the grower.
in every transaction the price increases.
Wow, several items I take offense. But let's just say as a college GRADUATE with an ACCOUNTING degree and being self-employed I DO KNOW math and market analysis. I have done my research and if you go to (one source) you'll find that the current pricing ranges from $12 - 20 per gram for Grade A medicinal quality throughout the nation. It only lists pricing by strain. In NM the prices range from $10 - 15. Maybe some strains are more, some less, but the average price is $12.50/gram. You also stated that you paid $45/eighth of Cali. Hello! That's about the same price as here. And there is CA quality medicinal cannabis available in NM from the LNPPs RIGHT NOW. Once the program in NM has been in existence for 8+ years, I would expect the LNPPs here will be able to provide better and less expensive cannabis to the patients. Don't forget, too, the LNPPs have to charge sales tax, the street dealer doesn't.
Obviously you only read what you want to read. The numbers don't lie and I spelled it all out for you in my prior post.
I get so tired of the LNPP bashing on this site and at the meetings. You stated you could grow for $300/pound. Great. Get your license application submitted and you will be able to offer medicine at the prices you feel are fair. When you're preparing your business plan, don't forget all the costs involved with a larger operation. You will have labor, electricty, water, nutrients, equipment, rent, security, supplies, etc., etc., etc. Oh and don't forget to offer the lowest price ALWAYS. Regardless of your costs and how litte is produced each harvest.
Obviously you haven't done your research with all of the producers in the NM program or you would know the true prices being offered. That's not to say that all of the producers have medicinal quality meds, but they are all trying to get there. It takes some time to be up and operational on a consistent basis. Give it 8 years or more.
Those that can, DO. Those that can't, sit around and criticize.
