Dispensaries = unlimited grow rights

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Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter

(f) AT THE TIME A PATIENT APPLIES FOR INCLUSION ON THE
2 CONFIDENTIAL REGISTRY, THE PATIENT SHALL INDICATE WHETHER THE
3 PATIENT INTENDS TO CULTIVATE HIS OR HER OWN MEDICAL MARIJUANA,
4 BOTH CULTIVATE HIS OR HER OWN MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND OBTAIN IT
5 FROM EITHER A PRIMARY CAREGIVER OR LICENSED MEDICAL MARIJUANA
6 CENTER, OR INTENDS TO OBTAIN IT FROM EITHER A PRIMARY CAREGIVER
7 OR A LICENSEDMEDICALMARIJUANA CENTER. IF THE PATIENT ELECTS TO
8 USE A LICENSED MEDICAL MARIJUANA CENTER, THE PATIENT SHALL
9 REGISTER THE PRIMARY CENTER HE OR SHE INTENDS TO USE.

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If that is the final language of the bill, wow they were not kidding when Ritter said 80% of the dispensaries will be gone. That's what I have been referring to as far as a mmc surviving. That's why the regulators/auditors will be checking patient counts, plant counts, comparing harvests and anticipating harvests from the previous harvest(s) so they can ensure the 6 plant 2 oz limits and or the excess as allowed with a doctors certificate. This is where I can invision the big corporate owned mmc's as I cannot understand how a small mmc will be able to destroy their excess and still stay afloat and make any money without an astronomical rise in costs for the medicine. Man, I hope I am wrong by all means but I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by Colodonmed

If that is the final language of the bill, wow they were not kidding when Ritter said 80% of the dispensaries will be gone. That's what I have been referring to as far as a mmc surviving. That's why the regulators/auditors will be checking patient counts, plant counts, comparing harvests and anticipating harvests from the previous harvest(s) so they can ensure the 6 plant 2 oz limits and or the excess as allowed with a doctors certificate. This is where I can invision the big corporate owned mmc's as I cannot understand how a small mmc will be able to destroy their excess and still stay afloat and make any money without an astronomical rise in costs for the medicine. Man, I hope I am wrong by all means but I don't think so.

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all of this is a slippery slope designed to get cops in your grow rooms, it starts with dispensaries, then they will be checking to see if caregivers are compliant and finally the patients making sure you are not growing more then your plant count or have to much weight laying around. Bad law all around and shame on you all for considering to comply with it.

I hear you, Mark, but we have too much invested here to just walk away. We've lowered prices three times since we've opened and reinvest everything back into the business or paying off loans.

@Zed: Warren has never told us caregiver to caregiver was illegal. Hmm. Interesting.

The way that he's reading this, I believe, is that your OPCL isn't tied to patient counts, just what you have in the center. That way a wholesaling model makes sense.

[quote=TheReleafCenter]I heard that from our lawyer, Warren Edson, but upon searching the bill myself came across this:

"TO POSSESS MORE THAN SIX MEDICAL MARIJUANA PLANTS AND
3 TWO OUNCES OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA FOR EACH PATIENT WHO HAS
4 REGISTERED THE CENTER AS HIS OR HER PRIMARY CENTER PURSUANT TO
5 SECTION 25-1.5-106 (6) (f), C.R.S.; EXCEPT THAT AMEDICALMARIJUANA
6 CENTER MAY HAVE AN AMOUNT THAT EXCEEDS THE SIX-PLANT AND
7 TWO-OUNCE PRODUCT PER PATIENT LIMIT IF THE CENTER SELLS TO
8 PATIENTS THAT ARE AUTHORIZED TO HAVE MORE THAN SIX PLANTS AND
9 TWO OUNCES OF PRODUCT. IN THE CASE OF A PATIENT AUTHORIZED TO
10 EXCEED THE SIX-PLANT AND TWO-OUNCE LIMIT, THE CENTER SHALL
11 OBTAIN DOCUMENTATION FROM THE PATIENT'S PHYSICIAN THAT THE
12 PATIENT NEEDS MORE THAN SIX PLANTS AND TWO OUNCES OF PRODUCT."

There may be a part that negates this. Warren is a lot smarter than I am. I'm waiting for an email back:thumbsup: peace bitches

meded is a hell of a drug:D





may the better lawyer win:thumbsup::thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter

If they went to a scaled model, then yes. The issue is that the Department of Revenue has to set their budget based on how much the program will cost to implement. So the more patients a dispensary serves, the higher the cost to check where all the meds went.

You can shop at multiple dispensaries if you want to. Patients can also grow for themselves as well as name a caregiver.

The registry will honor higher plant counts, but again, it's incumbent on the patient to prove they need those higher plant counts.

My issue with the whole DEA debate is this: if the state is taking money from medical marijuana dispensaries, doesn't that make them an accessory?

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have fun with that in the dea realm of fiction and incarcration. i'd imagine releaf dude at 20 to life with the next president...you have too much faith bro, in our traitorous scorpions whom only seek prison profits just like oil idiots who will not give it up for no reason. logic and reason out the window.

meded is a hell of a drug

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Originally Posted by puntacometa

So will you be able to inventory more tha 2oz per patient?

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Yes in this bill--if a physician determines that a medical marijuana patient needs more than the 2 oz or more plants cultivated for them that the standard 6 plants--this bill allows for that.

I just read this entire bill--someone needs to index it for easy reference.

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Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter

I hear you, Mark, but we have too much invested here to just walk away. We've lowered prices three times since we've opened and reinvest everything back into the business or paying off loans.

@Zed: Warren has never told us caregiver to caregiver was illegal. Hmm. Interesting.

The way that he's reading this, I believe, is that your OPCL isn't tied to patient counts, just what you have in the center. That way a wholesaling model makes sense.

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The odd ball out in this bill. Correct me if I am wrong. I just read this entire bill and NO WHERE did I see that medical marijuana centers were required to be caregivers to their patients. In other words I did not read that a patient "had" to turn over their registration number to the mmc to be able to purchase medical marijuana from them?

Then on Page 5-18 (B) On or before September 1, 2010 a business or operation shall certify that it is cultivating at least 70% of the medical marijuana necessary for itâ??s operation.

Now how in the heck does a medical marijuana center "certify" that they are growing at least 70% of the mm--if they have no caregiver status--and no marijuana patients that have registed their medical marijuana center as their primary caregiver?

I am curious as to how a mmc can actually certify that they are growing 70% of the medicine needed by their business. It would be difficult in my opinion as at least for the next few years I imagine the patient counts will fluctuate daily, with the health dept. stating they are processing about 300 per day right now, but that will increase alot when they hire the new employees in July. So how can a dispensary certify a number when that is a shifting number? What do you dispensary guys think about that, do your patient numbers change alot? Who in the hell develops rules that cannot be adhered to?

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Originally Posted by TurboALLWD

someone on icmag said




Can anyone verify this? :D

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Here it is:

Page 65 (10) Affirmative defense--If a patient or primary caregiver raises and affirmative defense as provided by section 14 (4) (b) of Article XVIII of the State Constitution, the patientâ??s physician shall certify the specific amounts in excess of two ounces that are necessary to address the patientâ??s debilitating medical condition and why such amounts are necessary. A patient who asserts this affirmative defense shall waive confidentiality privileges retlated to the condition or conditions that were the basis for the recommendation. If a patient, primary caregiver, or physician raises an exception to the state criminal laws as provided in section 14 (2) (b) or (c) of articles XVIII of the state constitution, the patient, primary caregiver or physician waives the confidentiality of his or her records related to the condition or conditions that were the basis for the recommendation maintained by the state health agency for the medical marijuana program. Upon request of a law enforcement agency for such records, the state health agency shall only provide records pertaining to the individual raising the exception, and shall redact all other patient, primary caregiver, or physician identifying information.

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Originally Posted by Colodonmed

I am curious as to how a mmc can actually certify that they are growing 70% of the medicine needed by their business. It would be difficult in my opinion as at least for the next few years I imagine the patient counts will fluctuate daily, with the health dept. stating they are processing about 300 per day right now, but that will increase alot when they hire the new employees in July. So how can a dispensary certify a number when that is a shifting number? What do you dispensary guys think about that, do your patient numbers change alot? Who in the hell develops rules that cannot be adhered to?

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I am not a dispensory owner--but it would appear to me--that this is one of those clauses that cannot possibly be enforced. The question is 70% of what? 70% of gross sales--70% of the number of registered patients they have. It's not at all clear in this bill how the state will determine what 70% represents.

Then--the other problem I see--is if a medical marijuana center runs out of medical marijuana--they are only permitted to buy it from their competition-- another medical marijuana center. How many centers are willing to sell a product that takes many weeks to cultivate to another center--in the fear that they may also run out. I imagine that when a mmc gets these kind of calls from their competitors--begging for product--the very last thing they would want to do--is to help keep their competitors in business--LOL.

What are these mmc suppose to do when they run out--and can't find another center that is willing to sell them any? Just shut their doors to their patients--I guess?