Anyone switch from 1000 watt hps to LED yet?
"is someone going to tell me you getsing a pound and a half to two poiunds off a 300w led thats supposed to be the same as a 1000w hps."
Yes, people REGULARLY pull 2g/w from LED grows. That means 300w dropping 600 grams, that's a pound and a quarter EASY.
Pinstripe's 2nd try: PC case + 22W LED - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - 22 watts, 38 grams. That's 1.727272 g/w. Assuming yield scaled linearly with power increase, a 300w panel in that person's hands should yield around 518 grams of bud.
Maybe 5 years ago LED wasn't worth it. Unless you attend every JEDEC conference you're going to be sadly out of date on your LED information - we've been getting 200% yields using LEDs with ALL sorts of crops, from wheat to strawberries, for the past three years already.
You can't measure a half-life of a diode, as alloys can't reliably have a half-life determiniation. The half-life only applies to pure elements in the chemical sense. Now if you're talking about SERVICE MAINTENANCE LIFE, 24/7 operation gives you 5-7 years. 18/6 about 10 years. 12/12 will get you from 10-15 years of service, and that is all dependent upon temperature control and humidity control.
Anyone switch from 1000 watt hps to LED yet?
cliffcliff can you share some of your learnings on the situation in RI. I'm curious as I have relatives there and could probably benefit.
Anyone switch from 1000 watt hps to LED yet?
the 1/2 life is 25,000 hours thats about 5 years of 12/12!
did you pay $90 fpr your HPS 1000w bulb and ballast?
5 X 90 is $450....according to your math thats what your lights cost!
x3 = S1350 for 3 lights one one tray!
if your read about 600 plus of my posts you would know that as it is stated in many places....but you pop off like you are the worlds authority...didn't expect to have it handed to ya did ya?
so making money makes a person lazy...well speak for yourself!
why did you not come on with a question if the first place instead of telling growers who are using LEDs to successfully flower and tell us what we cannot do and "time lapse photography"....dude you are barking up the wrong tree...some of these folks built there own lights...such as weezard...dreaded hermie...and one person you did not hear from was old mac...he's forgotten more than you'll ever know with your attitude in the beginnig! so you insult our intelligence! as i said do what i do from a chair an see how good you can do....you'd be stting in corner crying thinking your life is over....if money made you lazy then a personal challenge such as my spinal cord injury would be the end of someone like you with your dumb ass attitude!
now if you want to learn from all of us...we are more than happy to share how we got our results from growing with LED...do you think i yarded 2 1000 watt digitals and Hort eyes out from my room because i am not getting my stated results???
what do i stand to gain by lying??? in anything you do if you have no ethics or core values you will soon be found out and all will ignore you and tell you to go away....i value the friends i have made and will do anything to help them....you might ask a that question and see who chimes in?
so with all that said...i am growing with 900 watts af LED in my flower...less that 1/2 of the power i used previously and getting similar results to my HPS...if i was to put equal wattages over each tray i would still beat HPS as i have no heating issues and do not have to run and AC for cooling....yes LED's can be replaced if burnt out but usually it from hitting an exposed LED that causes it to go out not burn out..so you solder a new one in or bridge the gap with copper wire completeing the circuit for the rest to work!
the reason most say it does not work is because inferior systems have been used...today as bigsby stated earlier...info of just 2 years ago is obsolete as technology is changing rapidly! you are 29 which is still wet behind the ears...i don't care what the ratio of growers is in your neighbor hood is...facts are LEDs work and they are here to stay and they will only get better! mine are 3w diodes so have any of your expert growers used my light...its designed for commerciall greenhouses and to be hung 13 ft above the plants giving 100 sq feet of coverage....now i know it would never work in flower at that height but that should give you an idea of the power of LEDs and how far they have come...not insulting us and our intelligence. i have a Bachelor of science degreee in business and minor in geography so i can figure out what works and what doesnt...and if did not get my results i would not be here to share!
you do have some balls showing back up after getting blasted so hats off to for that!
if you want to learn more then be humble....people here will bend over backwards to anyone asking for help in a civilized manner!
peace!:hippy:
Anyone switch from 1000 watt hps to LED yet?
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Originally Posted by bigsby
It is worth noting that you can not evaluate LEDs by looking at lumens. Plants don't care about lumens.
You can't rate any monochromatic light source by the lumen, since the lumen is weighted against 550-555nm wavelength light as emitted by a blackbody radiator. The best most horticultural lamp manufacturers will tell you is the watts per square meter output, not the umol output per square meter per second, which is what really matters.
Anyone switch from 1000 watt hps to LED yet?
by say becoming more lazy i mean instead of changing the res we'll go skiing for a week when to get a good harvest you need to be there every other day at least
every one is pritty touchey. its more of an east coast thing i guess. i smoke hell of weed and never get affented , lifes to short bud.
as far as finding out how to open a club in ri or maine im still looking. it will have to be non profit, feds of course. most of these webs or saying more about crime and punishment then anything else. new jersys probebly going to start with 3 or 4 permits. and i know you can get a liquor lic for a mill or so in some areas.
p.s. "wet behind the ears" i really dont think i got my ass handed to me. by telling me the ratios are about the same per watt as a hps but five times the amount of money doesnt sound good. my parent grow my fam grows i grow. it took my friend a few more years then it did me but he was in esl in school. i would have never thought it take a lifetime for someone to master the "the art" of growing a single plant" but i guess i was wrong. i understand lifetimes to make master strains like purps. breeding i dont do, to easy to get good clones.
see now im getting touchey
Anyone switch from 1000 watt hps to LED yet?
"by say becoming more lazy i mean instead of changing the res we'll go skiing for a week when to get a good harvest you need to be there every other day at least"
This is not true for larger DWC systems and NFT systems with proper buffers. I've done an SoG setup where I'd only change the buckets every two weeks. Left me plenty of time to go out of state and do what I do best - build custom light systems for massive horticultural firms.
Anyone switch from 1000 watt hps to LED yet?
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Originally Posted by cliffcliff
every one is pritty touchey. its more of an east coast thing i guess. i smoke hell of weed and never get affented , lifes to short bud.
Only touchy when you are the second noob to slam an idea/process that you have zero hands on real world experience with. That's the difference between you and the people you are arguing with. They own/create/engineer LED lighting with a specific passion for MJ. You say it can't be done cost effectively because you simply don't know the technology.
The HID bulbs I use cost $92 every time i have to replace them. I run 2, so that's $184 every 8-12 mos. Over the lifetime of the 2 LED bars that could replace my 2 400w HID's, that is a potential expense of near $2000 over the 10 year life of LED.
Now we can factor in cost of cooling, whatever means you use, and pretty much half that.
Now you can factor in the energy savings over time, which ironically, is pretty much half of HID for a comparable result.
Maybe this will paint a different picture about how LED's can save you money instead of costing you money, as so many are apt to believing. I don't even own an LED, but I can see the advantages, and thanks to NO BULLSHIT members of this community that you seem to enjoy refuting, I'm no longer skeptical. To me it was never the money or the science, that stuff all works out on paper to be exact. It was the results that were speculative at best, but now my eyes are open to a new generation of LED growers that are doing bigger and better things.
It's hard to argue when ur high off your ass on a nice crystally dense tasty LED bud, so give these guys a break too. They will show you how and why it works if you are willing to sit back, take the blinders off, light a spliff, and really listen.
Just one man's :twocents:
Anyone switch from 1000 watt hps to LED yet?
i use flood tables. you change you nuitr. every two weeks. we use strong chems gh bloom and gh micro, called the lucus form. we also put other atitives in as well. every other day i like to go in re ajust the nuitrent level and ph. if you have a 2000 dollar brain you can have the machine monitar and self inject but you should at the very least change the water in the res every week.
Anyone switch from 1000 watt hps to LED yet?
you hit the buttons challenging us...read your first post!
"first of all why would you want to pay five times more for the light then you have two. a 1000w hps runs the same electric as a 1000w led. think about it. if your cant afford to cool your room then you def cant afford those lights because thats the money you would be saving(just the power of the cooling system. the power company charges by the kilawot hour(1000w per hour) at about .29 cent on a huge sliding scale. they cant tell if it hps led a hair dryer washing machine etc."
i don't run 1000 watts of LED i replaced 1000w of HPS with 450w of LED..and i can afford to do whatever i like...when i want...but that doesn't mean i am not going to keep wasting energy and filling up landfills with HPS bulbs that have mercury and leach into our water supplies!
don't get touchey..you started this...take your medicine and mellow out..we are stating facts from our own personal grows...not the smoke and mirrors..time lapse photography comments...so watch it! back off eat your crow and learn! i was taught by a breeder who has world famous strains not some pollen chucker! so its no accident that i could grasp the value of learning this new technology and spent almost a year looking before i found a LED light that i thought would work..i knew i cold not grab any UFO off ebay trying to buy the cheapest thing i could find!
you started it with your kidding and thimbs down so yes it has been handed to you that LEDs are a viable light to grow and flower with from all of the responses...i don't see anyone with you but the mouse in your pocket!
ok cliffcliff i am in China right now as we speak i had to leave my grow for a friend to take care of...i'm a little anal or alot about the frmula i use and am willing to smoke but being out of country i wanted the simplest formula possible using exactly the one you mention and i was just told today(my friend is very conservative with estimates) that i should expect about 350g of meds from this run based in what he sees....so this is basically a very unattended grow of mine and i feel those are worwhile results .78 gr/watt ...and i will continue to strive for better yields topping 1gr/watt and i feel once i get it dialed completely then there isn't an HPS thaqt will keep up with LED performance...and 1 more thing...my meds are incredibly much stronger than HPS as LED hits the main wavelenght for creating photosynthesis making indoor weed as powerful as outdoors if not more so with the controls you have indoors. now pull up a seat and read and you will be better off sometimes to keep your mouth shut and learn at a distance than jump in something you have no experience! i'm not flaming you but fools rush their opinion and wise men listen and learn before they open they're mouths! take that as constructive criticism...not an insult! please...we are all here to learn from each other! :hippy:
Anyone switch from 1000 watt hps to LED yet?
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Originally Posted by irydyum
Only touchy when you are the second noob to slam an idea/process that you have zero hands on real world experience with. That's the difference between you and the people you are arguing with. They own/create/engineer LED lighting with a specific passion for MJ. You say it can't be done cost effectively because you simply don't know the technology.
The HID bulbs I use cost $92 every time i have to replace them. I run 2, so that's $184 every 8-12 mos. Over the lifetime of the 2 LED bars that could replace my 2 400w HID's, that is a potential expense of near $2000 over the 10 year life of LED.
Now we can factor in cost of cooling, whatever means you use, and pretty much half that.
Now you can factor in the energy savings over time, which ironically, is pretty much half of HID for a comparable result.
Maybe this will paint a different picture about how LED's can save you money instead of costing you money, as so many are apt to believing. I don't even own an LED, but I can see the advantages, and thanks to NO BULLSHIT members of this community that you seem to enjoy refuting, I'm no longer skeptical. To me it was never the money or the science, that stuff all works out on paper to be exact. It was the results that were speculative at best, but now my eyes are open to a new generation of LED growers that are doing bigger and better things.
It's hard to argue when ur high off your ass on a nice crystally dense tasty LED bud, so give these guys a break too. They will show you how and why it works if you are willing to sit back, take the blinders off, light a spliff, and really listen.
Just one man's :twocents:
Here here! My thoughts exactly, only put more eloquently :thumbsup:
I'm having to start over, and all these reasons led (haha) me to run with LEDs this time. Plus I'm all about the experimentation, leads me to learn new things each grow that many people wouldn't know by just following a grow guide or mentorship.
I'll be starting a log with the LED panel soon, so feel free to check out my humble results in a few months.
