Prisons are privately owned? WTF?

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Originally Posted by senorx12562

Presidents are like football coaches, they get too much credit for good times and too much blame for the bad times. Too bad they can only get fired every four years.

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When a Boxer is payed to take a dive its a "Pay off"
When a Baseball player is payed to strike out, its a "Pay off"
When a politician is "Paid Off" to support an Agenda, its a "campaign contribution"

wats even more fucked up, is the slave labor we continue to allow prisons to produce. not only do we lock take away convicted felons voting rights and lock them up in subhuman conditions... we make them work for pennies on the hour... this is slave labor... and what is sad, is that conservatives pull a joke on us, by using this slave labor often for cities recycling... while i am pro environment, i am pro human rights more so... which is why if i'm n a city that does this, i don't recycle... the only thing worse than a regular old fashion fascist, is a hypocritical liberal fascist.

no more slave labor. we are all equal. even those convicted of crimes. they should keep their voting rights, and human rights in general. it's not punishment, or at least it's not supposed to be about revenge and punishment. it''s about rehabilitation and for those who cannot be... mere protection for the rest of us. it shouldn't be inhumane which it is.

wats really fucked up is the company that owns a prison makes a killing, they get government funding (no initial investment basically), and then make a shitton of money off the slave labor they produce!

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Originally Posted by Phunnyman

Hi Boaz,

Hope all is well with you and yours and enjoying a Happy New Year. I agree with your statement and also believe that all those who were profiteering on this need to be held accountable. I'm not a huge fan of the Bush Administration, and I'll even go out on a limb here and state that there where things about them I did like, but overall I wasn't impressed. I feel the same way about the Clinton admin as well. I'm a fan of Ronald Reagan, perhaps its the old comic and actor in me but I liked him for his ability to communicate, he really made me proud to be an American. I like Kennedy too, he could have changed the entire outcome of the sixties and seventies.....

You are absolutely right I think, on the amendment and its purpose. As an advanced country, we should be leading the way in ensuring human rights abuses are not tolerated in any way shape or form. I've always thought that leading by example was the way to go, and not by dictating what others should do. That's my arguement with this congress and our current President, as well as the past eight years before. It's an elitist group, regardless of the ideology, they are not leading by example, and they are certainly not showing any sense of fiscal responsibility or accountability at all. Communism has never worked successfully in any country, and repackaging it and marketing it doesn't change what it really is. Just my opinion.

I wish you the best and hope you have a great week. Hopefully we'll meet in person one day and have a great debate over a wonderful bowl!

G

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communism didn't work because you had two global economic systems which both required expansion. capitalism could raise more money, and thus wage a better war. both capitalism and communism work in theory. both have struggled in practice. true capitalism has never been successful without Keynesian type socialist policies to protect the economy. furthermore, capitalism concentrates weath, and without socialist programs wealth cannot be re-redistributed, (i state this bc capitalism redistributes labor into wealth from the working class to the upper class, so it is a type of socialism just in reverse), without re-redistribution, the capitalist system fails, as there is no longer profits, and it'll transform back into feudalism. communism on the other hand, has always been interrupted from the outside or corrupted by the inside. i support neither, just making an indifferent observation.

furthermore these prisons that are corporate run, do violate human rights in the form of slave labor, paying inmates mere pennies an hour. unless you as a capitalist think this is a fair wage... it's a companies dream... as low a wage as they desire, and this is why prisons should not be handed over to capitalists.

During hurricane katrina 500 inmates in a prison were executed by the guards.

Survival is Everything. Here's a Short video to give you a Idea of what Real Society is like with no law enforcement during political unrest. With that in mind the law enforcement could also be following enslavement procedures.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX6-mLSazAI

If You dont believe in any of this than heres you alternative lol>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvy_UPmgE9M

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Originally Posted by Lurker50

They're all the same. R. D. You need both wings to fly and if we can't get some kind of credible 3rd party to break through and control the head, some foreign hunter is gonna shoot the bird and eat us.

Vote your conciense, not your party. If we all did that then the constitution might still be valid. As it is now, our country is nowhere near free. Only pretends to be.
It gets worse every time we trade partys. None of us win. Just lose more freedom.

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I'm sorry but "you need both wings to fly" is a cliche not a political argument. so is vote your conscience not your party.

Repugs are worse than dems. Yes Dems aren't that great... but we do NOT need the right wing. It's time to evolve and move this country back to the left, i don't see the dems doing that, as they seem to have reclaimed the corporate center mindless moderates position in american politics.

I don't see us losing more freedom under Obama and the Dems... i do see us getting minor victories paraded as great change... tho it's not.

I'm sorry but the only part of the constitution that is worth anything is the bill of rights. The rest of it can be tossed. The rest of it was designed by rich white property owners to protect their power. That's why its so difficult for our government to do anything. I'd wipe my ass with that constitution if i could get my hands on it. It's crap paraded around as freedom. "pursuit of happiness" only means right to property, yet no one has the right to live basically. If you own no property and cannot or refuse to make rich people richer, the constitution may provide you the right to believe in whichever Dead God you wish... but it doesn't protect your life. There are no sustenance rights. This is the problem with the idiot Libertarians. In a great world, yes... we could trust people to have a decent respectful economy... but in a capitalist world, human nature is changed to live and let die.... or live and help die really. If it's not profitable it's worthless... if i don't make someone else money, i'm useless and no one should be concerned about my life.

screw the constitution. screw the republicans... screw the libertarians (who have the right idea in a perfect world, but are just simply naive)

I find it so funny that so many ignorant self-proclaimed hippies would vote for the homophobic pro-corporation Ron Paul... simply because he was for legalization of pot. That's idiotic and naive. But expected, we are used to Liberals who believe in equality being for legalization. However, there are conservatives for it as well... but for different reasons...

We need the government... we need a strong central government... we just need it to be on our side. Bc right now it's on the corporations side, and simply removing it, is merely going to allow the corporations to run completely wild, because even tho the government is in their back pocket... well, they keep them in check slightly if only for their own good. Now if we can capture government... we can fix things.... unfortunately everytime we get close... John Edwards moved the democratic presidential debate to the left... however the corporatists just stole his ideas with never any real plans to follow them. Obama is Edwards-Lite.

The united states has never been free. It's always been a LIE.

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Originally Posted by Trip06

During hurricane katrina 500 inmates in a prison were executed by the guards.

Survival is Everything. Here's a Short video to give you a Idea of what Real Society is like with no law enforcement during political unrest. With that in mind the law enforcement could also be following enslavement procedures.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX6-mLSazAI

If You dont believe in any of this than heres you alternative lol>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvy_UPmgE9M

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why yes, this helps prove my point quite well. when you treat people like animals, they will behave as such. when you treat individuals as commodities... then this is the type of chaos that breaks out when you lose control.

I'm talking about changing society completely. Because human nature isn't genetic or biological... it's sociological. It can be changed... it has changed. During feudalism... property rights were controlled by a very few, yet, the surfs while still a lower class, had sustenance rights... the right to food, shelter etc... everyone had these rights... under capitalism we do not have these basic rights... we must "prove our worth" to the capitalists wallet... or die. so yes when this system breaks down... there will be initial chaos... the capitalists will reap what they have sewn. However, if we step in and change the basic structure of society before this system fails... which it will given time and further mental retardation by CEOs n Presidents n congresses who support them.... if we change it... this is not what "human nature" or the nature of society will look like. it is what it looks like now. which is why we need law enforcement... but not revenge and punishment....

Norway has a prison system where the longest sentence is 22 years. The person over their prison system has a PhD in Philosophy. They retrain convicted felons... and treat them as people, and pay them a normal wage for work they complete. There is no stigma attached to them... and thus, Norway has the lowest crime rates in the world. Because there is no repeat offenders... once they are rehabilitated... they do not go back to crime. Here, we just throw em in a cage n piss em off for 20 years or so, then we let em out and expect them to have "learned their lesson", when we have taught them no such lesson, other than people are sadistic resentful followers of slave morality. and we wonder why they do what they do.

Morons, both of you.

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Originally Posted by senorx12562

Morons, both of you.

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I smell what your steppin' in.

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Originally Posted by SirSmellyEwic

why yes, this helps prove my point quite well. when you treat people like animals, they will behave as such. when you treat individuals as commodities... then this is the type of chaos that breaks out when you lose control.

I'm talking about changing society completely. Because human nature isn't genetic or biological... it's sociological. It can be changed... it has changed. During feudalism... property rights were controlled by a very few, yet, the surfs while still a lower class, had sustenance rights... the right to food, shelter etc... everyone had these rights... under capitalism we do not have these basic rights... we must "prove our worth" to the capitalists wallet... or die. so yes when this system breaks down... there will be initial chaos... the capitalists will reap what they have sewn. However, if we step in and change the basic structure of society before this system fails... which it will given time and further mental retardation by CEOs n Presidents n congresses who support them.... if we change it... this is not what "human nature" or the nature of society will look like. it is what it looks like now. which is why we need law enforcement... but not revenge and punishment....

Norway has a prison system where the longest sentence is 22 years. The person over their prison system has a PhD in Philosophy. They retrain convicted felons... and treat them as people, and pay them a normal wage for work they complete. There is no stigma attached to them... and thus, Norway has the lowest crime rates in the world. Because there is no repeat offenders... once they are rehabilitated... they do not go back to crime. Here, we just throw em in a cage n piss em off for 20 years or so, then we let em out and expect them to have "learned their lesson", when we have taught them no such lesson, other than people are sadistic resentful followers of slave morality. and we wonder why they do what they do.

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now if there is any wonder as to why we have the highest crime of any country and house over 40% of the worlds prison population this is it. correctional facilities...riiiiggghht:mad: what are we to conclude but that they first make criminals and then punish them for it. maybe if all these top dogs smoked a little things wouldnt be this bad...oh wait they do:wtf:

The Union is a great documentary and I think helps open the mainstream public eyes. It is scary to think that our prisons are being run by private owners! How did this even come about? I think this documentary sent a message to alot of people not to just go with what you are told and to actually question our state and our country when it comes to OUR tax dollars! :jointsmile: