Say Farewell to American Supremacy
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Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt
Viciously fucking over any country or leader not on par with the American vision of an economic world order is not "doing a good job". For all its talk of freedom and democracy, the U.S. backs dictators who are in their interest (i.e. Batista), overthrows elected leaders with a different agenda (i.e. Lumumba, Mosaddeq, Aristide), keeps the Israeli boot firmly on the Palestinian face, financially backed the East Timor slaughter, keeps DEA offices everywhere to ensure their moral panic drug agenda is being followed, etc.
I do not call that a "good job";I call that a disgrace. The idea that any other country would be more brutal is just American propaganda concerning the virtues of its dark global economic despotism.
You said it your self the Soviet Union was worse and would be worse if it was the world leader. Tell me which country/empire in world history held the power the USA does and did a better job? I never said we didn't do anything wrong we did many things wrong but, we are by FAR the best world leader to come around. Things are never going to be perfect but, it isn't as bad as it could be.
Say Farewell to American Supremacy
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Originally Posted by apocolips31
You said it your self the Soviet Union was worse and would be worse if it was the world leader. Tell me which country/empire in world history held the power the USA does and did a better job? I never said we didn't do anything wrong we did many things wrong but, we are by FAR the best world leader to come around. Things are never going to be perfect but, it isn't as bad as it could be.
Let's go back to Britain in the 1920s, at the height of the British Empire...how were they any worse? They pulled all kinds of ugly shit, but no uglier, I would argue, than East Timor, Haiti, Cuba, Vietnam, etc.
Regardless of who wields supreme power, the world cannot function in a fair way if one superpower's agenda is the standard to which everybody is held.
Say Farewell to American Supremacy
I agree the way we conduct our selves is not the way it should be but, it is the best way so far. For a country with such power at it's disposal we are doing a pretty good job to control our selves. Also I wouldn't compare great Britain then to the USA now as they couldn't even defeat France.... Yes they were the number one but, not in such a way as the USA is. To put things into perspective,"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" So for having absolute power are doing the best so far.There has never been a hyper power before. I think we are going to just have to agree to disagree at this point. As this is going around in circles.
Say Farewell to American Supremacy
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Originally Posted by apocolips31
I agree the way we conduct our selves is not the way it should be but, it is the best way so far. For a country with such power at it's disposal we are doing a pretty good job to control our selves. Also I wouldn't compare great Britain then to the USA now as they couldn't even defeat France.... Yes they were the number one but, not in such a way as the USA is. To put things into perspective,"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" So for having absolute power are doing the best so far.There has never been a hyper power before. I think we are going to just have to agree to disagree at this point. As this is going around in circles.
No, there's never been a HYPER-power before now, and I really, really hope there isn't one for much longer. But as you say, if there's never been one before, how can you possibly compare? Who's to say Norway wouldn't be less of an asshole if they ruled the world, or someone? That's like saying I'm the best son my dad ever had (I'm an only child).
Say Farewell to American Supremacy
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Say Farewell to American Supremacy
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Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt
No, there's never been a HYPER-power before now, and I really, really hope there isn't one for much longer. But as you say, if there's never been one before, how can you possibly compare? Who's to say Norway wouldn't be less of an asshole if they ruled the world, or someone? That's like saying I'm the best son my dad ever had (I'm an only child).
Like I said in previous posts, out of countries that actually have a chance to become a world leader. As I know morally we are not the best but, out of the mix yes we are.
Say Farewell to American Supremacy
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Originally Posted by thcbongman
Now it's drying up. And I disagree, they are a vast amount of projects that the government and private industries work together for innovation regardless of whether military engagements are active or not. There's an entire industry dedicated to it and they'll continue to be responsible for innovation such as cell phones. Private industry tends to go at it alone until they realize they should not utilize their own capital solely, but rather suck off the government's tit. That's what telecoms figured out. Hey it's happening for banks too now, isn't it?
Rockets, fission, fiber optics, satellite communication, the internet, and highway systems are absolute pillars of our advanced society. All of which came by way of military R&D funding.
Say Farewell to American Supremacy
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Originally Posted by GoldenBoy812
Rockets, fission, fiber optics, satellite communication, the internet, and highway systems are absolute pillars of our advanced society. All of which came by way of military R&D funding.
I see your point that many of these developments would've been much harder or non-existant without Military R&D funding. I find it interesting about highways, I knew highways are given first priority to military personnel but I didn't think the funding for the original interstate design came directly from the military. Tp think the military industrial complex is such a necessary evil in terms of innovation....
