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I personally don't buy into the "world hates america" crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Basher
It is a broad over generalization, that I just don't buy. Are there people that "hate" america, yes. Does it matter in the big scheme of things, no. Should who in the world likes/dislikes the USA matter, no.:jointsmile::thumbsup:
u know... thats exactly why 9.11 happened, just because of this kind of thinking... what does it take for Americans to understand world and its 7 billion people are not theirsQuote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
People wont just hate us for no reason u know? even al-qaeda doesnt hate us just because we are americans, they sadly do have a basic valid point, I think u should have listened to your party's only hope for presidency earlier: Ron Paul, i think he put it out in the best way possible
Why Ron Paul Is Right About Terrorism: A Letter to the GOP Base by David T. Beito and Scott Horton
u should read more history man, empires far greater and more powerful in relative scale of their time than America have come and reigned their power with the same way of thinking for many many years, and yet none remain in todays world
I refer u to the definition in my signature, that is exactly what u r doing and how u r thinking and i have no problem callin u out on it, with all due respect as a fellow stoner and activist.
one clarification: I dont think the rest of the world hates us, but certainly our actions have lead to a large majority of the world to question America or go further down the way of extremist emotions, "hating" us
i think however, a more considerable portion of the world's people have negative feelings toward us than they had say 15-20 years ago or even 50 years ago
OK!Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingimam
you are entitled to your opinion, but you are wrong.
Incorrect, that terrorist attack as well as others around the world have happened because of religious fanatics that do not believe anyone that does not share their world view should live. Plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingimam
Is that Rush Limbaugh in your avatar?Quote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
islamic terrorists are not forcing their world view on us - we are forcing our world view on entire muslim countries, and terrorism is a response to our policies
November 29, 2004
'They hate our policies, not our freedom'
Pentagon report contains major criticisms of administration.
by Tom Regan | csmonitor.com
Late on the Wednesday afternoon before the Thanksgiving holiday, the US Defense Department confirmed the contents of a report by the Defense Science Board that is highly critical of the administration's efforts in the war on terror and in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The report had been originally placed on the DSB's website in early November.
'Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies [the report says]. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing, support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states. Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy.'
The Pentagon confirmed the study after The New York Times ran a story about the report in its Wednesday editions.
The Defense Science Board, reports Disinfopedia, is "a Federal advisory committee established to provide independent advice to the Secretary of Defense."
'The current Board is authorized to consist of thirty-two members plus seven ex officio members': the chairmen of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Policy, Ballistic Missile Defense Advisory Committee, and Defense Intelligence Agency Science and Technology Advisory Committee. 'Members, whose appointed terms range from one to four years, are selected on the basis of their preeminence in the fields of science, technology and its application to military operations, research, engineering, manufacturing and acquisition process.'
man, the religious fanatics were living in peace with the rest of the world (trust me, I know islam aint got no new extremist rules or laws, everything is kinda from hundreds of years ago, all that jihad shit, its been out there since islam was out there) until just about after world war 2 when we created UN, took a piece of muslim/arab land and named it israel and sent jews from all over the world to and to this date we continue our unconditional support for this state, buying hatred of A LOT of other nations for itQuote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
just put yourself in an arab man's shoes and look at things that way to understand whats wrong and why they hate us
how come these religious fanatics were good for America when they were fighting Communists in afghanistan? how come we funded and supplied them then? do u think these people are idiots? did u not listen to the reasons that scumbag bin laden laid out as to why he attacked the towers in new york?
do u not know of our countries coup de tats all over the world? Do u not know of our support and actions in the coup that resulted in fall of the ONLY DEMOCRATIC government in iran in the last 100 years? yes that was due to oil despite what govt claims that IRANIANS wanted it... which iranian wants their new nationalized oil and the PM who achieved it to be overthrown? only the coward Shah of iran and his allies wanted that and they totally achieved it with our help... guess what, such actions led to the damn islamic revolution, and extremism expanded its roots on these actions leading to hostage crisis and shit just took off from there
sure, some of these religious fanatics may have an idea like the one u r describing these days, but remember that not all those who dislike us are religious fanatics, they are a tiny denounced group even by the mainstream muslims. and they have had hundreds of years if they wanted to convert everyone to their way (like christians dont do that, for god sake, we did that to native americans, and we kept slaves while trying to make them christians)
All im saying is this: Our past actions have totally boosted their cause if anything. they were a very very tiny group who have just seen their base expand cause more people are hurt by our arrogance and our carelessness thus choosing them over us... pretty stupid right, but what can u expect when no1 hears ur points or cares about them.
our best ally in the arab world: KSArabia is a total dictatorship, violating a bunch of human rights, even worse than what u hear about Iran, they are those wahhabis who gave rise to Bin laden and his gang, yet we still continue to support them and be cool with them
this is all about oil & $s, at any price, even blood of other nations and even americans
I can say with some certainty that if it were down to the Great Britain vote then Obama would walk it , the majority of Brits I've spoken to just have not taken to McCain at all.
American forign policy is very unpopular in many nations and you aren't going to change thier minds by bombing and invading, you simply add to the list of "enemies".Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
Of course if you did honestly feel this way, you wouldn't get so riled up about the discussion :thumbsup: . You might even pass a valuable judgement on an important political matter. :DQuote:
I personally don't buy into the "world hates america" crap.
It is a broad over generalization, that I just don't buy. Are there people that "hate" america, yes. Does it matter in the big scheme of things, no. Should who in the world likes/dislikes the USA matter, no.
Naive statement indeed right there my friend.Quote:
Incorrect, that terrorist attack as well as others around the world have happened because of religious fanatics that do not believe anyone that does not share their world view should live. Plain and simple.
And yet again, 2 completely opposed world view points are on display!:D