Walmart ER! I can't WAIT to hurt myself!
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Originally Posted by thcbongman
ER systems are "abused" because people have trouble seeing a doctor on time. There are many people who have serious diseases that must see someone right away if they are exhibiting certain symptoms. It's hard to quantify abuse. Sure they are those cases where someone goes in for a headache with no pre-existing conditions or a sprained ankle which is why these clinics would be good. Most of the time, nothing is found, but that does mean it's abuse? I'm sure you know first hand what I speak of. It's not like these visits are free, I still get statements from emergency room visits 2 years ago!
Point being is efforts like this from the private industry are needed to in order to bring health care costs down. People need options when it comes to health care in order to lessen the burden on hospitals.
I know about people who have diseases.. As I said I assist many people in my life with MS, Crohns, Gastroparesis and POTS. These are not the people who abuse the system.
I take it you've never gone to an ER on a weekly basis for 2-3 months straight and seen what type of issues people go in there for?
Abuse of the ER directly attributes to the cost of health in hospitals.
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But those are few and far inbetween what most go to the ER.
This is absolutely false. It happens WAY more often than you'd like to believe. I practically lived in the ER for 3 months, and I still usually go at least once a month or once every other month for my friends that I care for/assist. In addition to this you get people that go to the doctor specifically to try to get a pill fix. Yes it happens often and the doctors cannot refuse them. So they keep them there for a little bit; where they occupy floor space or if they're so lucky.. a room that could be used for someone who genuinely has an emergency.
Walmart ER! I can't WAIT to hurt myself!
Ok....two things.....One: ..what is a "ready clinic"
Golden Boy your blue dobie is stunning! Gorgeous dog. Sorry for threadjack..
Walmart ER! I can't WAIT to hurt myself!
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Originally Posted by Weedhound
Ok....two things.....One: ..what is a "ready clinic"
Golden Boy your blue dobie is stunning! Gorgeous dog. Sorry for threadjack..
A ready clinic is just what they call them.. It would be the equivelant of calling it "Joe blows minor needs clinic".
They have a nurse and physician on staff.
You can go there for things that are minor.. such as:
sprained ankle
cold/flu
pink eye
strep throat
UTI
ear infections
some testing.. screening
etc etc.. you get the point.. things that are annoying but not really critical. Things you would normally have to schedule an appointment with a doctor for.. wait in line.. see your doctor.. pay a fat co-pay or FEE if you don't have insurance... and possibly be sent home with them saying "take 2 ibuprofen a day".. something you could've probably figured out on your own eventually.
I use it for minor things since it's cheap.. and if I need a script there's a pharmacy in the store that doesn't charge me an arm and a leg; unlike if I went to a larger clinic or hospital where they charge outrageous fee's to fill a script.
And after I get checked out, get my script filled.. I can do some cheap grocery shopping!! YAY!
Walmart ER! I can't WAIT to hurt myself!
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Originally Posted by daihashi
I know about people who have diseases.. As I said I assist many people in my life with MS, Crohns, Gastroparesis and POTS. These are not the people who abuse the system.
I take it you've never gone to an ER on a weekly basis for 2-3 months straight and seen what type of issues people go in there for?
Abuse of the ER directly attributes to the cost of health in hospitals.
This is absolutely false. It happens WAY more often than you'd like to believe. I practically lived in the ER for 3 months, and I still usually go at least once a month or once every other month for my friends that I care for/assist. In addition to this you get people that go to the doctor specifically to try to get a pill fix. Yes it happens often and the doctors cannot refuse them. So they keep them there for a little bit; where they occupy floor space or if they're so lucky.. a room that could be used for someone who genuinely has an emergency.
I been in the ER far more times than I like too and the most I seen go for some very serious ailments. But to say you know what they're in for just by looking at them, or overhearing a few people talk, it's quite a judgement considering you didn't look at their medical history. Something as simple like a "headache" can be a symptom of something far more depending on a person's medical history. Okay there are a few junkies who goes in for pill fixes but think about it this way. Does anyone really want to go to the ER if they didn't feel like they had to? That most cases are considered abuse are for very legitimate concerns. They felt like they had to go there. It could've been nothing. It could've been something. That's why you go to the ER.
Walmart ER! I can't WAIT to hurt myself!
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Originally Posted by thcbongman
I been in the ER far more times than I like too and the most I seen go for some very serious ailments. But to say you know what they're in for just by looking at them, or overhearing a few people talk, it's quite a judgement considering you didn't look at their medical history. Something as simple like a "headache" can be a symptom of something far more depending on a person's medical history. Okay there are a few junkies who goes in for pill fixes but think about it this way. Does anyone really want to go to the ER if they didn't feel like they had to? That most cases are considered abuse are for very legitimate concerns. They felt like they had to go there. It could've been nothing. It could've been something. That's why you go to the ER.
Many of the things people go to ER are not true emergencies. Sorry it's just FACT. And yes I do know people who work in the ER; paramedics who bring people into the ER. I have a multitude of people in the health care industry and have been confused by people, on THIS site who are in the med industry themselves, as being a doctor because my insight is overwhelming.
I cannot prove it so you'll have to take me at my word, but the system is abused and highly abused at that.
Tell me, what is a legitimate concern that justifies abusing the ER?
Walmart ER! I can't WAIT to hurt myself!
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Originally Posted by daihashi
Many of the things people go to ER are not true emergencies. Sorry it's just FACT. And yes I do know people who work in the ER; paramedics who bring people into the ER. I have a multitude of people in the health care industry and have been confused by people, on THIS site who are in the med industry themselves, as being a doctor because my insight is overwhelming.
I cannot prove it so you'll have to take me at my word, but the system is abused and highly abused at that.
Tell me, what is a legitimate concern that justifies abusing the ER?
That should be the key word here. What is a true emergency? Let's get into the grey area. Infact one thing you perceive as minor, a UTI, a problem where I had to go to the emergency room for. At the time I was battling cancer and while I was recovering through chemo, I felt major pain, which ended up being a UTI. At the time I didn't know it was something relatively minor. But being in a situation like mine, you don't know if that pain could be something else. Would that be abuse of the system? Or merely a legitimate concern? Or another situation. I had low-blood pressure, fainted twice for no reason and had blurred vision and acute headaches for a week. I saw my oncologist and he gave me an order for an MRI and told me to walk into ER. Ended up being nothing. Would you consider that abuse of the system?
With that, it's hard to quantify abuse because you don't know the individual's medical history. So the instances would be quantified as abuse based on fact alone. The underlying circumstance of my situation justifies it and I'm certain in many of those cases, their are circumstances that justify their visit.
Walmart ER! I can't WAIT to hurt myself!
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Originally Posted by thcbongman
That should be the key word here. What is a true emergency? Let's get into the grey area. Infact one thing you perceive as minor, a UTI, a problem where I had to go to the emergency room for. At the time I was battling cancer and while I was recovering through chemo, I felt major pain, which ended up being a UTI. At the time I didn't know it was something relatively minor. But being in a situation like mine, you don't know if that pain could be something else. Would that be abuse of the system? Or merely a legitimate concern? Or another situation. I had low-blood pressure, fainted twice for no reason and had blurred vision and acute headaches for a week. I saw my oncologist and he gave me an order for an MRI and told me to walk into ER. Ended up being nothing. Would you consider that abuse of the system?
With that, it's hard to quantify abuse because you don't know the individual's medical history. So the instances would be quantified as abuse based on fact alone. The underlying circumstance of my situation justifies it and I'm certain in many of those cases, their are circumstances that justify their visit.
1. You were a cancer patient and fall in lines with other people with debilitating diseases. The people I am referring to that abuse the ER that I have had some insight on (without having their personal records or names disclosed to me) do not have this problem. Your situation is entirely different and is not what i'm talking about.
2. Being told by your doctor to walk down to the ER and get an MRI is completely different from just walking into the ER because you're passing a kidney stone; you know you're passing it but want some pain pills to tide you over with no other ailments being wrong with you.
you made the assumption that I was assuming.. rofl if that makes any sense. Again; I get my info from paramedics, nurses and doctors. Names are not disclosed but I hear time and time again about abuse in the ER. The amount of money it costs when 1 out of 10 people abuse the system is still an enormous amount.
I by no means insinuated that 8 out of 10 are abusing the system; but I would say going by the information I get from others in the field.. that it's about 1 in 10 or fractionally higher.
Walmart ER! I can't WAIT to hurt myself!
1 in 10 sounds just about right considering illegal immigrants popping more babies.
I understand what you mean by abuse now. The kidney stone example reminded me of a time when my cousin's friend, who had lupus, put himself into the ER before he offered to get me some medicinal. He said he had a kidney stone. I just wonder if it had anything to do with actually getting more medicinal because he said before there was some limit he could get at a time.
Walmart ER! I can't WAIT to hurt myself!
it can have some advantages to having a clinic in stores, but 1 thing not argued is the fact of having sick and contagious disease ridden people spreading it to healthy people, children and pregnant women. that is not a good thing,
sick people need to go see a family dr or in a dire case go to the hospital
its not fair and its rediculous someone would risk the health of people shoping for anything. :mad::mad::mad:
Walmart ER! I can't WAIT to hurt myself!
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Originally Posted by texas grass
it can have some advantages to having a clinic in stores, but 1 thing not argued is the fact of having sick and contagious disease ridden people spreading it to healthy people, children and pregnant women. that is not a good thing,
sick people need to go see a family dr or in a dire case go to the hospital
its not fair and its rediculous someone would risk the health of people shoping for anything. :mad::mad::mad:
It happens on a daily basis.. a hand shake, touch a door knob, swim at the community pool.
It definitely happens at the grocery store too; there's an entire department dedicated for cold/flu/ailments. This is something that wouldn't be newly introduced just because of a clinic being established inside of a store.
