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09-07-2008, 05:46 PM
TheMetal1

Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling

My main problem with all this is that, while I respect a persons right to change their personal opinion on anything based on info or circumstance... we are not electing leaders so that they can make decisions for us. While someone is offered the right to feel a certain way on a topic, that is not grounds to force that ideal on the rest of the country. We elect leaders to represent the people. We need them to enact policies that will make our country better AS A WHOLE. Whether she believes in same sex marriage or abortion should not be involved in her decision making process. It is her responsibility to teach her children about EVERY negative aspect of life. Things like poor eating habits, stress management, substance abuse, non-violence... etc. People need to realize that YES, you can have your beliefs... but if you are in a position of power to make decisions that could ruin the lives of good people, that should not be a factor.

YES, she may have come to dislike the way Cannabis affected her and wants to set a good example for her children. FINE! She should spend quality time teaching her children that ANY substance abuse (alcohol, tobacco, fatty food, diet pills, Cannabis, etc) will possibly play a negative role in their development. There is a major difference between teaching your children appropriate, healthy, productive behavior.... and supporting a Federal law that puts thousands of good people in jail for possession. We do not elect officials to make decisions FOR us. We elect them to support OUR decisions. An overwhelming majority of CITIZENS (not politicians) believe Cannabis should be Federally decriminalized. To ignore that because you fear that your child may make poor decisions in the future is despicable... no matter who you are.

To me, this IS a very serious issue. It's not only because I have found something that subsides symptoms I have been dealing with for over 10 years... saving me tens of thousands of dollars in future medical treatments or lost time at work, school, and my personal life. It is also because, at a young age, I was facing over 15 years in a State facility for possession of what I needed for personal use. Since there was obviously zero tolerance for anything, and I required a lot for personal use, I surpassed the limit for a felony. I was not able to receive financial aid for college until the age of 25 and was fully searched during even minor traffic stops by the State Police. I have never used Cannabis as a money making tool... I do not encourage young people to use it... I respect others privacy and do not smoke around anyone that feels uncomfortable with it... I do not operate a vehicle or heavy machinery while under the influence... and I do not use illegal activities to fund my supply of personal Cannabis. I also volunteer and hold a 4.0 GPA and love my mother.

The fact that a person wants to put me in prison for what I have listed above makes me sick. I don't care WHO the politician is. It is a basic argument. The primitive thinking that is involved in believing that Cannabis prohibition is a benefit to society makes me question ANYONE that chooses to support it. Not only does it show a complete lack of knowledge on substance abuse, medical studies and proven application, and the economic strain the "War on Cannabis" is putting on society... but it makes me question their ability to make other decisions that are supposed to make this world better for YOU and ME.
09-07-2008, 06:07 PM
daihashi

Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling

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Originally Posted by TheMetal1

My main problem with all this is that, while I respect a persons right to change their personal opinion on anything based on info or circumstance... we are not electing leaders so that they can make decisions for us. While someone is offered the right to feel a certain way on a topic, that is not grounds to force that ideal on the rest of the country. We elect leaders to represent the people. We need them to enact policies that will make our country better AS A WHOLE. Whether she believes in same sex marriage or abortion should not be involved in her decision making process. It is her responsibility to teach her children about EVERY negative aspect of life. Things like poor eating habits, stress management, substance abuse, non-violence... etc. People need to realize that YES, you can have your beliefs... but if you are in a position of power to make decisions that could ruin the lives of good people, that should not be a factor.

That is true, but please point out 1 politician who is not making decisions for us? Whether you acknowledge it or not there are always going to be people on both sides of the fence of an issue.

You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

So what makes her wrong... because you don't believe in it? It's unfortunate but it's the majority that matters, not specifically you. I believe the majority of America still views marijuana negatively. If it did not we would not have pre-employment drug testing or the stereo types that are looming around today.

Politicians will never please all of the people therefore a sect will always feel as if they have been wronged.

We are still in the minority here.

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YES, she may have come to dislike the way Cannabis affected her and wants to set a good example for her children. FINE! She should spend quality time teaching her children that ANY substance abuse (alcohol, tobacco, fatty food, diet pills, Cannabis, etc) will possibly play a negative role in their development. There is a major difference between teaching your children appropriate, healthy, productive behavior.... and supporting a Federal law that puts thousands of good people in jail for possession. We do not elect officials to make decisions FOR us. We elect them to support OUR decisions. An overwhelming majority of CITIZENS (not politicians) believe Cannabis should be Federally decriminalized. To ignore that because you fear that your child may make poor decisions in the future is despicable... no matter who you are.

I totally agree with you, but in her mind she believes she is doing what is best not only for her children but citizens. It is what she believes, stands by and is not the only one to do so. At the democratic presidential debates on October 30th they were all asked to raise their hands if they opposed decriminalizing marijuana... everyone raised their hand including current Democrat Presidential nominee Barack Obama.

All politicians are making decisions for the people.

And I don't know where you're getting "overwhelming majority".. you're wrong. As of Oct. 2005 36% of Americans said it should be legal and 60% of Americans said it should remain illegal.

Who Supports Marijuana Legalization?

You shouldn't post your own personal beliefs as fact for the remainder of the population.

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To me, this IS a very serious issue. It's not only because I have found something that subsides symptoms I have been dealing with for over 10 years... saving me tens of thousands of dollars in future medical treatments or lost time at work, school, and my personal life. It is also because, at a young age, I was facing over 15 years in a State facility for possession of what I needed for personal use. Since there was obviously zero tolerance for anything, and I required a lot for personal use, I surpassed the limit for a felony. I was not able to receive financial aid for college until the age of 25 and was fully searched during even minor traffic stops by the State Police. I have never used Cannabis as a money making tool... I do not encourage young people to use it... I respect others privacy and do not smoke around anyone that feels uncomfortable with it... I do not operate a vehicle or heavy machinery while under the influence... and I do not use illegal activities to fund my supply of personal Cannabis. I also volunteer and hold a 4.0 GPA and love my mother.

We are all in the same boat. We all use cannabis whether it's to help with illness, diseases, symptoms, anxiety, relaxation or recreation... no matter the reason we are all in the same boat. Fact of the matter is that WE are aware it is illegal so WE bare the burden of responsibility.

If we want reform we need to show responsibility.. we need to show that marijuana use is not a problem.

I feel for you, I truely do, I almost got pinched in a similar situation but my bulldog lawyer saved my ass. Point is that we know we're breaking the law and accept the consequence that comes along with that.

Where I live more than 2oz is a felony, so if I ever drive and I'm carrying, I always make sure I'm well below that amount and ideally try to ride with less than 2grams since that is just a class c misdemeanor here.

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The fact that a person wants to put me in prison for what I have listed above makes me sick. I don't care WHO the politician is. It is a basic argument. The primitive thinking that is involved in believing that Cannabis prohibition is a benefit to society makes me question ANYONE that chooses to support it. Not only does it show a complete lack of knowledge on substance abuse, medical studies and proven application, and the economic strain the "War on Cannabis" is putting on society... but it makes me question their ability to make other decisions that are supposed to make this world better for YOU and ME.

It's not just politicians. It's 60% of the United states. Like I said Marijuana has a huge image problem that we need to change. I know that we are very intelligent thinkers and I personally try to change that image as much as possible through donations to activist groups, writing my local and state politicians, and having in depth conversation with people who I know are against Marijuana legalization. Usually they're set in their views but I've pulled a few over onto our side in the process.

I do want to make the world better for you and me, I just want to do it the fastest way possible and the fastest way is by changing the stigma that hangs over us marijuana smokers.
09-07-2008, 06:42 PM
TheMetal1

Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling

It seems that in dissecting my post the point was lost. The only reason I even included Gov. Palin in my reasoning is because of the thread topic and her recent media coverage. She has been in this election process for a very short time. I KNOW we have yet to get the necessary info to judge her.

Do you really think I don't understand that politicians make decisions for us? I am saying that we shouldn't allow it. It isn't what our government was designed to do. I understand that you can't expect a tool to do something it wasn't designed for. Our government was not created for it to just work and create change by itself. It requires the dedicated involvement of citizens to ensure that the basic principles of Democracy are put first. My point is that it IS creating change by itself. Which makes zero sense in relation to actual Democracy.

Yeah... majority rules. Does THAT make it "right?" I'm sure that the 10 guys who decided to sexually assault some girl were all in agreement. So, that's fine... because "majority rules." I understand that this is a graphic example... but it seems like that is the only way to really explain the logic behind things nowadays.

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Originally Posted by daihashi

I totally agree with you, but in her mind she believes she is doing what is best not only for her children but citizens. It is what she believes, stands by and is not the only one to do so.

My point exactly. Why is it that her beliefs (or anyone in Government) are more valid than mine? This is what I don't get. It's like journalism. They absolutely have a right to believe that they want. When it comes to their JOB... they need to put that aside. Which they refuse to do... news and government alike.

We always hear about what politicians are SAYING to us. I want to know what politicians are LISTENING to us.

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Originally Posted by daihashi

And I don't know where you're getting "overwhelming majority".. you're wrong. As of Oct. 2005 36% of Americans said it should be legal and 60% of Americans said it should remain illegal.

Sorry... I wasn't aware that "legalization" and "decriminalization" were the same thing. I'll be sure to look that up next time.
Time/CNN Poll: Majority of Americans Support Medical Marijuana For Patients, Decriminalization For Adults<BR>Support For Legalization Rises To 40 Percent - More Than Doubling Since 1986 - NORML

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Originally Posted by daihashi

but please point out 1 politician who is not making decisions for us?

I may seem like I am supporting Obama by pointing out things about Gov. Palin... BUT this isn't a "name the politicians that do their jobs" thread. This is a thread about Gov. Palin and HER view on Cannabis law. We always try to spin things. Since I discuss what I disagree with about Palin.. it means I support Obama? :wtf: I KNOW Barack went back on his stance. This is a thread about Palin.

Oh yeah.... Ron Paul is about as close to pro-liberty that I have heard about.
09-07-2008, 07:04 PM
8182KSKUSH

Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling

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Originally Posted by daihashi

That is true, but please point out 1 politician who is not making decisions for us? Whether you acknowledge it or not there are always going to be people on both sides of the fence of an issue.

You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

So what makes her wrong... because you don't believe in it? It's unfortunate but it's the majority that matters, not specifically you. I believe the majority of America still views marijuana negatively. If it did not we would not have pre-employment drug testing or the stereo types that are looming around today.

Politicians will never please all of the people therefore a sect will always feel as if they have been wronged.

We are still in the minority here.

I totally agree with you, but in her mind she believes she is doing what is best not only for her children but citizens. It is what she believes, stands by and is not the only one to do so. At the democratic presidential debates on October 30th they were all asked to raise their hands if they opposed decriminalizing marijuana... everyone raised their hand including current Democrat Presidential nominee Barack Obama.

All politicians are making decisions for the people.

And I don't know where you're getting "overwhelming majority".. you're wrong. As of Oct. 2005 36% of Americans said it should be legal and 60% of Americans said it should remain illegal.

Who Supports Marijuana Legalization?

You shouldn't post your own personal beliefs as fact for the remainder of the population.

We are all in the same boat. We all use cannabis whether it's to help with illness, diseases, symptoms, anxiety, relaxation or recreation... no matter the reason we are all in the same boat. Fact of the matter is that WE are aware it is illegal so WE bare the burden of responsibility.

If we want reform we need to show responsibility.. we need to show that marijuana use is not a problem.

I feel for you, I truly do, I almost got pinched in a similar situation but my bulldog lawyer saved my ass. Point is that we know we're breaking the law and accept the consequence that comes along with that.

Where I live more than 2oz is a felony, so if I ever drive and I'm carrying, I always make sure I'm well below that amount and ideally try to ride with less than 2grams since that is just a class c misdemeanor here.

It's not just politicians. It's 60% of the United states. Like I said Marijuana has a huge image problem that we need to change. I know that we are very intelligent thinkers and I personally try to change that image as much as possible through donations to activist groups, writing my local and state politicians, and having in depth conversation with people who I know are against Marijuana legalization. Usually they're set in their views but I've pulled a few over onto our side in the process.

I do want to make the world better for you and me, I just want to do it the fastest way possible and the fastest way is by changing the stigma that hangs over us marijuana smokers.

You are objective, fair, and realistic. Thank you, I hope that others will start to realize what you are saying, and when they do, they will begin to do themselves a great service, as well as help make a POSITIVE gain in the cannabis movement.:thumbsup::thumbsup::jointsmile:
If advocates of cannabis want progress, we need to be perceived as mature, responsible, and respectful of everyone else, regardless of their personal views on cannabis.
As for Palin,
despite her personal views on cannabis, she was the top law enforcement officer in Alaska as the Governor, if she had a fanatical opposing view on cannabis, would she have ever tried it? Would she not have made criminalizing it in Alaska a top priority? Maybe, just maybe, despite her personal views, she respects individual freedom too. Maybe not. Who knows.
I know this, she has stated her opinion on the matter, and it won't change depending on the crowd she is speaking to, or depending on when you ask her, if she is on national t.v, or at a public non-televised event. She has integrity, is far from a hypocrite, and by being honest, I believe she actually has more respect for "us", than those candidates that will lie to your face then go on national t.v., and stab you in the back. Or make it a "commonly known" position that they support cannabis, but do not make mention, not even one word on their campaign website at all, or do their best to talk around the issue, like another former candidate. People like this are taking advantage of you, have no respect for you or your opinion, and are using you. Most honestly don't realize this, or don't want to accept it. All the while, extreme left wing political groups "take up the cause," in an effort to rally support for their political candidates that have NO INTENTION to EVER do anything for you on this issue.
All of this, just my opinion. Based on years of observation. At the current rate, I will have years and years more of observation to re-enforce this mans opinion, while the blind masses continue to rant, take up the all of the liberal left's causes for the sake of hoping to advance their own single political issue, and are used by them without even knowing it.
Sad.:(
09-07-2008, 07:21 PM
daihashi

Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling

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Originally Posted by TheMetal1

It seems that in dissecting my post the point was lost. The only reason I even included Gov. Palin in my reasoning is because of the thread topic and her recent media coverage. She has been in this election process for a very short time. I KNOW we have yet to get the necessary info to judge her.

No I got your point entirely. I disected it to point out your eagerness to point blame outside ourselves when the majority of Americans don't want marijuana legal.

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Do you really think I don't understand that politicians make decisions for us? I am saying that we shouldn't allow it. It isn't what our government was designed to do. I understand that you can't expect a tool to do something it wasn't designed for. Our government was not created for it to just work and create change by itself. It requires the dedicated involvement of citizens to ensure that the basic principles of Democracy are put first. My point is that it IS creating change by itself. Which makes zero sense in relation to actual Democracy.

We're a republic, not a democracy. I believe you are confused.

Here is a good article that actually gives you a better insight into the type of government we have. Yes we're a democracy, but no we're really not; at least not in the true sense of the word.

ThisNation.com--Is the United States a democracy?

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Yeah... majority rules. Does THAT make it "right?" I'm sure that the 10 guys who decided to sexually assault some girl were all in agreement. So, that's fine... because "majority rules." I understand that this is a graphic example... but it seems like that is the only way to really explain the logic behind things nowadays.

No it doesn't make it right and I never said it did. The fact is that you cannot please 100% of the people all of the time, so you have to please the majority. 60% of Americans want Marijuana to remain illegal.

I fail to see your comparison of a violent crime to marijuana. Pick a better analogy next time.

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My point exactly. Why is it that her beliefs (or anyone in Government) are more valid than mine? This is what I don't get. It's like journalism. They absolutely have a right to believe that they want. When it comes to their JOB... they need to put that aside. Which they refuse to do... news and government alike.

They do need to represent their constituents you're right, but it seemto me with a 60% American base that wants Marijuana to remain illegal that they are representing their constituents.

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We always hear about what politicians are SAYING to us. I want to know what politicians are LISTENING to us.

You mean to tell me that during your politically aware lifetime that no politician has done something the people have asked for?

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Sorry... I wasn't aware that "legalization" and "decriminalization" were the same thing. I'll be sure to look that up next time.
Time/CNN Poll: Majority of Americans Support Medical Marijuana For Patients, Decriminalization For Adults<BR>Support For Legalization Rises To 40 Percent - More Than Doubling Since 1986 - NORML

No offense. I appreciate what NORML stands for but I would never use their data as reference. It's an obvious skewed source of information as they are advocates for the cause that they put out this data for (plus time didn't source it's polling info/demographic). Gallup has been conducting polls on marijuana since the 1960s and I would believe to be a more accurate representation.

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I may seem like I am supporting Obama by pointing out things about Gov. Palin... BUT this isn't a "name the politicians that do their jobs" thread. This is a thread about Gov. Palin and HER view on Cannabis law. We always try to spin things. Since I discuss what I disagree with about Palin.. it means I support Obama? :wtf: I KNOW Barack went back on his stance. This is a thread about Palin.

I don't think I ever said you support Obama. Why are your feathers all ruffled about? The point is that if you want to bash Palin then you can't ignore that this happens on both sides which no one is mentioning. The problem is not isolated to her and the story is a perfect example of media trying to draw viewers to the TV for the shock factor just because this is a presidential election.

We should be holding people accountable on a day to day basis. However everyone in here is only aware or discussing this because she is running for the VP ticket, why don't we talk about one of the other numerous politicians who do the exact things that we've been complaining about in this thread.

1 person is not the root of all evil and if people acknowledge her then they need to acknowledge everyone else that does it too otherwise you lose focus.

Everyone is berating her as if she did something that was horrible when 60% of Americans would disagree with you.

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Oh yeah.... Ron Paul is about as close to pro-liberty that I have heard about.

Ron Paul is the man I wanted.
09-07-2008, 07:27 PM
daihashi

Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling

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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

You are objective, fair, and realistic. Thank you, I hope that others will start to realize what you are saying, and when they do, they will begin to do themselves a great service, as well as help make a POSITIVE gain in the cannabis movement.:thumbsup::thumbsup::jointsmile:

Well if history repeats itself they'll just label me a religious conservative right winger who wants to impose his own zealous agenda on you (even though I'm an Agnostic Pragmatic kind of libertarian.. lol)

Personally I thought I was fairly neutral in that post and realistic as well but it seems The Metal took it as me picking on him.

I've given up people having a realistic point of view on these forums when it comes to Marijuana laws. All they know is they want their pot and they want it now, they don't care about the logistics of it all or the proper avenue we should be taking to expedite decriminalizing/legalizing marijuana. This is very frustrating to me.

We won't have any hope of legalization until we change the image that marijuana has. The problem is that most people who smoke pot don't think that marijuana has a bad image but what they don't realize is that it's not what we think of ourselves that matters it's what the rest of the country thinks of marijuana users.
09-07-2008, 08:04 PM
TheMetal1

Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling

This is pointless. I am talking about ideas in the context of our current government system. You are talking about who is better for this election. Okay... we are a Republic. Can somebody give me back the time I spent in school learning about our Democratic system of government then? I realize that being fed the wrong information for 15+ years by teachers is not an excuse to be unfamiliar with our current system... but forgive me for having to be in the hospital 5 months out of each year. It sucks that I can't follow current events with tubes in my throat and pieces being removed from my stomach. I apologize that I haven't had the pleasure of formal education in the way our government works. How about you start a thread to catch me up to speed on how we can fix everything?
- now I just sound like a dick :jointsmile:

Okay... polls can be misleading depending on who is conducting them or presenting the results.
- Only NORML though.

And bashing Palin? Feathers ruffled? Yeah I'm really red in the face. Why don't you just tell me to calm down? Hahaha Should I take a time out? I fail to see how stating my opinion on a politicians views and how it differs can be called "bashing." Why can't we just discuss things? It's not an argument. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I tried to make it very clear that, while I involve Palin in the body of my text... it ISN'T ABOUT HER. I was trying to respond to the thread topic in relation to her stance. Sorry if I can't address everything wrong in the world inside this particular thread.

Of course SHE isn't the spearhead against Cannabis prohibition. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT HER VIEWS ON CANNABIS. Why would I bring up everyone else that contributes to this mess? I don't have 5 months to spend typing.

This isn't personal. I understand that we ALL need to work towards appropriate Cannabis law by presenting a positive community image. Re-read what I claim to do in my other post. I can only control what I do... I can't use my precious and limited energy monitoring others conduct while using Cannabis.

And for the record I did not compare the use of Cannabis to violent crime. This is what I am talking about. We live in spin city. I said that the idea of it being okay to accept the practice of majority rules... simply because it is a majority... does not make it right or the best option for our citizens. That does not say Cannabis use is equal to a sexual assault. Just because you don't get my analogy... doesn't mean I need a new one.

I think I have to take some time off from these types of threads until "reliable" information is presented to the public. It seems like a big piss fest. I come to this site to enjoy myself and discuss the way Cannabis benefits my life. I may lack the formal knowledge to teach a course on government... but I can definitely school some people on buds and the culture.

Again, I completely expect you to take this personal... so I won't be offended if you do. I LOVE America and all of the people that live in this great country... including you.

See you all in the grow forum. I'm about 3 weeks away from something ferociously stinky :stoned:
09-07-2008, 08:23 PM
khronik

Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling

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Originally Posted by daihashi

What's wrong with not supporting it. It's her right. Obama is against the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act

Here is an excerpt from the washington post: Michael Gerson - Obama's Abortion Extremism - washingtonpost.com

But Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide." Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby" because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life.

So everyone tell me, what is more bothering.. the fact that someone says that you can't smoke Marijuana that you're going to smoke anyway regardless of the laws, or someone saying that a baby that is born alive during an abortion has to be killed.

Obama opposed the partial-birth abortion ban because there was no exception for saving the life of the mother. Fair enough?

Obama has said he voted against the Illinois senate bill because it was a poorly-written bill that the Republicans wrote in order to get the Democrats to vote against it. Then when election time came around, they could demonize Democrats for voting against this law. This kind of stuff is really common in party-controlled legislative bodies. The bill would have forced doctors to try to preserve the lives of aborted fetuses even if there was no chance of them living. And besides, Obama DID support the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which was a federal bill. The bill he opposed was a Illinois state bill.
09-07-2008, 08:24 PM
daihashi

Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling

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Originally Posted by TheMetal1

This is pointless. I am talking about ideas in the context of our current government system. You are talking about who is better for this election.

Point out where I ever said or implied that someone was better than the other in regards to Palins stance to Marijuana? I said be reasonable and look at both parties. If you jump on Palin then you need to give equal credit to all politicians involved that stop us.

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Okay... we are a Republic. Can somebody give me back the time I spent in school learning about our Democratic system of government then? I realize that being fed the wrong information for 15+ years by teachers is not an excuse to be unfamiliar with our current system... but forgive me for having to be in the hospital 5 months out of the year. It sucks that I can't follow current events with tubes in my throat and pieces being removed from my stomach. I apologize that I haven't had the pleasure of formal education in the way our government works. How about you start a thread to catch me up to speed on how we can fix everything?

I don't know where you went to school, but where I went to school I was taught that we are a Republic. I've been out of school for the last 11 years now.

I'm also not sure what you being in the hospital has to do with anything. I'm sorry to hear about your situation but it doesn't have any relevance to whether the United States is a republic or democracy. It was founded as a republic and it is still a republic today. We have some forms of democracy in our government but in the end we are still a republic.

So I don't know what the need for sarcasm was. Just so you know just about everyone believes we are a democracy when we're not. Go and ask 10 people if we're a democracy and see what they say, I bet 8 out of 10 will. So I wasn't taking a jab at you by correcting you; I was trying to inform you of how our government does work and how they don't have to take our *individual* thoughts into account.. they have to take our *collective* thoughts into account.

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- now I just sound like a dick :jointsmile:

You did honestly.
Okay... polls can be misleading depending on who is conducting them or presenting the results.
- Only NORML though.

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And bashing Palin? Feathers ruffled? Yeah I'm really red in the face. Why don't you just tell me to calm down? Hahaha Should I take a time out? I fail to see how stating my opinion on a politicians views and how it differs can be called "bashing." Why can't we just discuss things? It's not an argument. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I tried to make it very clear that, while I involve Palin in the body of my text... it ISN'T ABOUT HER. I was trying to respond to the thread topic in relation to her stance. Sorry if I can't address everything wrong in the world inside this particular thread.

In case you haven't gotten through your head yet my first reply to you wasn't derragotory, it was supplementary. I have no idea why you seem so offended.

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Of course SHE isn't the spearhead against Cannabis prohibition. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT HER VIEWS ON CANNABIS. Why would I bring up everyone else that contributes to this mess? I don't have 5 months to spend typing.

But just a second ago you said that you only mentioned Palin because of the thread topic, that your main point was to underline that it's not acceptable for anyone to do it. It would seem like a perfectly appropriate time to point out that not only her but many of our politicians are doing this.

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And for the record I did not compare the use of Cannabis to violent crime. This is what I am talking about. We live in spin city. I said that the idea of it being okay to accept the practice of majority rules... simply because it is a majority... does not make it right or the best option for our citizens. That does not say Cannabis use is equal to a sexual assault. Just because you don't get my analogy... doesn't mean I need a new one.

You compared 10 guys raping a girl to the governments ruling on marijuana use. So yes you did compare a violent crime to marijuana. Your analogy is wrong because you are taking something that is 100% morally wrong and horrible and comparing a majority rule of that to marijuana. It is not the same thing and your analogy doesn't work. It is not my fault if you can not properly express your thoughts.

I'm not spinning anything, you seem to still think I'm attacking you or something. Why do you seem so angsty?

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I think I have to take some time off from these types of threads until "reliable" information is presented to the public. It seems like a big piss fest. I come to this site to enjoy myself and discuss the way Cannabis benefits my life. I may lack the formal knowledge to teach a course on government... but I can definitely school some people on buds and the culture.

I tell you that we need to fix the image of marijuana users and you throw a hissy fit. I'm sorry if you don't like being told the truth but I won't lie to you or anyone else. If want to make more progress then we have to change the image that marijuana has had for nearly the last century. I have no idea why that would aggravate you.

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Again, I completely expect you to take this personal... so I won't be offended if you do. I LOVE America and all of the people that live in this great country... including you.

I haven't been offended this entire time (although you'll insist otherwise). I thought we were having a good discussion and then you replied as if you were pissed at me. Your problem, not mine.
09-07-2008, 08:43 PM
TheMetal1

Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling

You have no idea what I am trying to say... and apparently there aren't enough keys to explain how I feel. So, I won't...

I am not concerned if you or anyone else reading this thread misunderstands what I was trying to explain about my thoughts on Gov. Palin and her view on Cannabis law... but I feel I need to be a bit more clear on my analogy because it is completely enfuriating that you keep trying to explain it when you aren't getting it.

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT CANNABIS IN THIS ANALOGY. I need to write it big because I feel it is very important to show how incredibly wrong you are about this.

I am talking about MAJORITY RULES in ANY situation. I used the graphic description because it is the most convincing evidence that, just because a larger number of people decide on something... does not make it the best option for all parties involved. NOTHING TO DO WITH CANNABIS. The majority might be RIGHT... but saying majority rules is not a definitive answer to a problem. Seriously man, pick apart every other thing I wrote and show everyone how naive I am... you're probably right. But if you seriously think that's what I meant... than I really can't say any more. I really can't believe that you aren't getting it. You're not an idiot. You support that with every post you make. I've seen your views on a wide variety of topics, including health care, that I feel are really great. But I really need to be clear so that there is no confusion.

It makes me sick to my stomach to think you honestly feel that is what I meant, because if a smart person like you interprets it that way... I can only pray for the idiots.

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