What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
I remember people objecting to JFK's Catholicism. He did everything he could to convince the voters that he did not intend to do the bidding of his religion. Palin is exactly the opposite - she believes that she's acting for God, Christianity must prevail, and that she is "chosen" by a god.
So JFK downplayed the role of religion in his life (typical) and that's ok? But for someone to say they believe in something is wrong?
I don't really think she believes she was chosen by god. Worst case scenario it was just pandering to the evangelical crowd that neither McCain or Obama can seem get a grasp on.
I look at the state of condition of Alaska and the City she was Mayor of when I'm trying to determine what types of things she will want to do as VP, I feel those speak more words than her rant about God.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by daihashi
by that account are you against anyone who says they talk to god? Are they insane? I'm sure you know but many people claim to form a personal relationship with God/Jesus. Personally this sounds weird to me but I don't think they are crazy. Most of what I hear from highly religious people sounds nuts to me, but I don't judge their sanity as a person outside of their religion.
I don't care if the local fish monger, or even my doctor, has insane religious beliefs. I just do not think that such people are fit to hold the office of the president of these United States. Palin is mentally ill, and if you don't see it then there's not much I can say.
Obama was bad enough, but as Sam Harris poined out he's probably pandering to his constituency and doen't believe it.
P.S. Prior to the Palin announcement, I thoroughly ripped Obama for his religious beliefs, but I do not think he's 10 percent as bad - even if he does believe what he purports to (which I doubt).
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
Quotes from your boy Gringam
'He's (Obama) been on the presidential campaign 7 years longer then she's been governer.'
'You can't find a single executive decision that either Obama or Biden has made in their entire career'
Jon 'or then mccain by that definiton'
Gingrich 'That's exactly right.'
Hmm..
Palin would veto abortions for women even in the event of being raped.
How fair of her..
'We're at the end of a cycle where people were fed up with the congressional republicans, basically fired them in 2006, the presidents poll numbers have been low, if this campaign is about politics as usual then the fact is, obama and biden are going to win.'
I agree Gingich, though i wish i'd've seen the moose hunt.
I don't wanna make out with Jon Stuart, but i'll enjoy his comedy while poking fun of hypocrits.
She was a mayor of a city in Alaska with 9 thousand people in it, big whoop, great experiance :rolleyes: she has flawed policies and if this Mcsame ticket wins i'll be shocked and appauled. Have a good one :jointsmile:
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
I don't care if the local fish monger, or even my doctor, has insane religious beliefs. I just do not think that such people are fit to hold the office of the president of these United States. Palin is mentally ill, and if you don't see it then there's not much I can say.
Unless you performed a pyschiatric evaluation on her yourself and you're licensed to do so then I really don't feel you're in a position to judge. You obviously are biased against religion for some reason and that's your choice, but I feel you're letting your Bias blind you.
for the record I'm not exactly thrilled about Either the McCain camp or the Obama Camp; I typically don't vote in presidential elections (mostly because votes only truely make a difference at the state/local level.. presidents are pretty much elected through the electoral college. The vote of the people makes up a very small percentage of what actually determines who wins the office) but this time around I'll be voting McCain. I'm not excited about it but we know only one of these two men are going to win and I'd rather it be McCain/Palin instead of Obama/Biden <cringe>
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by daihashi
Unless you performed a pyschiatric evaluation on her yourself and you're licensed to do so then I really don't feel you're in a position to judge. You obviously are biased against religion for some reason and that's your choice, but I feel you're letting your Bias blind you.
for the record I'm not exactly thrilled about Either the McCain camp or the Obama Camp; I typically don't vote in presidential elections (mostly because votes only truely make a difference at the state/local level.. presidents are pretty much elected through the electoral college. The vote of the people makes up a very small percentage of what actually determines who wins the office) but this time around I'll be voting McCain. I'm not excited about it but we know only one of these two men are going to win and I'd rather it be McCain/Palin instead of Obama/Biden <cringe>
Fuck the psychiatrists - they're afraid to offend the religious establishments. I've had enough experience with religion that common sense (not very common unfortunatly) which can tell me that the elevator doesn't reach the top floor in this type of person. I do not see myself as "biased" since virtually everybody I've voted for in the past 4 decades has professed some sort of religous belief - but this one is way beneath what I consider minimally acceptable or deserving of a vote for vice president.
Relying on prejudiced professions for an opinion is not something that I intend to do. I have an intellect, and experience, and people that still do better get ready for a fight for our rights - and the future of the world.
I was ready to vote McCain - and he's shown his true colors by picking a person that is unstable and dangerous to run with him.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Fuck the psychiatrists - they're afraid to offend the religious establishments. I've had enough experience with religion that common sense (not very common unfortunatly) which can tell me that the elevator doesn't reach the top floor in this type of person. I do not see myself as "biased" since virtually everybody I've voted for in the past 4 decades has professed some sort of religous belief - but this one is way beneath what I consider minimally acceptable or deserving of a vote for vice president.
Relying on prejudiced professions for an opinion is not something that I intend to do. I have an intellect, and experience, and people that still do better get ready for a fight for our rights - and the future of the world.
I was ready to vote McCain - and he's shown his true colors by picking a person that is unstable and dangerous to run with him.
You said she is insane... you are no better qualified to determine who is sane/insane than the person working the fryer at mcdonalds. That was my point.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
Certainly any person is free to have their own religious beliefs. But I agree with BA that a person who believes the Universe is only 6000 years old and denies evolution is a person who is blind to scientific fact and not fit to lead a country in this century. That is my opinion and it is not an attack on religion.
Religious belief is fine as long as it doesn't get in the way of sound policy or good judgement. I do not trust the judgement of people who ascribe events to God's will. We live in a world of cause and effect, not supernatural intervention.
Palin supports teaching creationism in schools. She supports abstinence-only sex education. She would like abortion to be illegal even in cases of rape or incest. I think these are areas where her religious belief has led to bad policy.
I am not qualified to make a clinical diagnosis of insanity, so instead I like to use the non-medical term "wackadoo" to describe people who deny scientific fact.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Fuck the psychiatrists - they're afraid to offend the religious establishments. I've had enough experience with religion that common sense (not very common unfortunatly) which can tell me that the elevator doesn't reach the top floor in this type of person. I do not see myself as "biased" since virtually everybody I've voted for in the past 4 decades has professed some sort of religous belief - but this one is way beneath what I consider minimally acceptable or deserving of a vote for vice president.
Relying on prejudiced professions for an opinion is not something that I intend to do. I have an intellect, and experience, and people that still do better get ready for a fight for our rights - and the future of the world.
I was ready to vote McCain - and he's shown his true colors by picking a person that is unstable and dangerous to run with him.
Then you really must think Al Gore is nuts since he started his own religion, based on assumptions. None of which have been proven. Same with evolution, none of it has been proven, so it is all based on faith. That is religion.
So you think everybody is insane that does not believe in your religion of atheism.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Certainly any person is free to have their own religious beliefs. But I agree with BA that a person who believes the Universe is only 6000 years old and denies evolution is a person who is blind to scientific fact and not fit to lead a country in this century. That is my opinion and it is not an attack on religion.
Religious belief is fine as long as it doesn't get in the way of sound policy or good judgement. I do not trust the judgement of people who ascribe events to God's will. We live in a world of cause and effect, not supernatural intervention.
Palin supports teaching creationism in schools. She supports abstinence-only sex education. She would like abortion to be illegal even in cases of rape or incest. I think these are areas where her religious belief has led to bad policy.
I am not qualified to make a clinical diagnosis of insanity, so instead I like to use the non-medical term "wackadoo" to describe people who deny scientific fact.
Provide some facts. She wants intelligent design taught in addition to the current evolution THEORY
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Certainly any person is free to have their own religious beliefs. But I agree with BA that a person who believes the Universe is only 6000 years old and denies evolution is a person who is blind to scientific fact and not fit to lead a country in this century. That is my opinion and it is not an attack on religion
Not all people who believe in creationism believe that the world is less than 10,000 years old.
There are different sects of creationism. Most combine science with their religious beliefs and accept the scientific age for the planet/universe.
Creationism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Religious belief is fine as long as it doesn't get in the way of sound policy or good judgement. I do not trust the judgement of people who ascribe events to God's will. We live in a world of cause and effect, not supernatural intervention.
People look to god to give them strength to make decisions every day. If believing in something gives you the strength to make very difficult decisions then I see no fault in that.
The fact is that no one can disprove creationism and no one can prove evolution. I personally believe in evolution but I won't discredit a creationist because there is no evidence to say that it's not true.
Bottom line, FACT, We don't know. Respect others beliefs and leave it at that.
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Palin supports teaching creationism in schools. She supports abstinence-only sex education. She would like abortion to be illegal even in cases of rape or incest. I think these are areas where her religious belief has led to bad policy.
Palin supports creationism to be taught in schools in addition to traditional science. She is not trying to replace anything at all. I feel that creationism would be fine as an elective course if you wanted to take it. Is this really so bad?
I don't agree with her position on abortion at all, but even if the congress became a conservative congress and Palin/McCain were VP I seriously doubt this would pass.
Bush had a conservative congress for most of his time in office. I believe Bush is also a Pro-Lifer... you didn't see any anti-abortion laws go into effect based on his religion. They don't want to lose their own power now.
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I am not qualified to make a clinical diagnosis of insanity, so instead I like to use the non-medical term "wackadoo" to describe people who deny scientific fact.
wackadoo is perfectly acceptable from a non professional view point. You also don't know for certain that she denies scientific fact. For all you know she could be one of those progressive creationism who do believe in science but also believe in their religion.
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