Schapelle Corby

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Originally Posted by SteveV

Please do not LIE again. I have a copy of the document on my PC, from the Australian Consulate General in Bali. It is a file note dated December 3 2004. It is a public document, so you can request it for yourself. It makes it 100% clear that Schapelle requested the tests. Yet still people make up lies.

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Statements without evidence does not make the statements true or false. It simply makes them statements. You are trying to enforce your statement as fact without any evidence to back it. You have a copy of the document on your pc from the Australian Consulate but you choose not to share it with us.

One could only assume that if you are admitting this and not sharing it that you are with holding information for your own agenda, whatever that may be. Or you could genuinely have the document and everyone could be wrong.

You come off as defensive and kind of abrasive. So people will probably think the former about you and your posts and you must realize that given the circumstances it's not unreasonable for them to do so.

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Even ignoring what libel says about you as a person, you cannot libel people with malicious lies as you have done. It is illegal, and subject to legal action. Legal action is a remedy to deal with liars. That is all it is.

If you don't lie: no possibility of legal action. It is that simple.

I will retain the records.

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Libel? Please show me where defamation occurred here? You are trying to enforce your own ethics on other people. People are allowed to say and think what they wish. This is called an opinion.

Also legal action? This is an internet forum, how pleased do you think the court will be to hear that the case before them is a trial over libel on an internet forum. Do you honestly think that any prosecution would take on that case?

You keep calling people liars, honestly you're the only one who keeps claiming to know all this inside information but yet to provide any of it. You honestly sound as if you're unhinged.

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I am motivated because someone is suffering horribly and unjustly. That is a pretty positive human emotion.

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Unjustly? She was smuggling Marijuana. Do you think that this is what cannabis activists stand for? There is a fairly large reason why people grow instead of buy. Some of it has to do with the fact that we do not want to support drug dealers and smuggling of drugs into our country. If we don't condone it here do you think we would condone it happening to an austrailian in Indonesia?

There is a difference between suffering unjustly and suffering because you did something highly illegal (international trafficking). Face it, she broke the law and is getting punished for it. Even here in the states that have decriminalized Marijuana you can only carry about an ounce or so on you at a time. She had 9 lbs on her. That was not personal stash, she was obviously transporting it somewhere.

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What motivates someone to come back again and again and again to try to argue for that terrible suffering to continue though? What motivates someone to even put themselves in danger of legal action for libel by doing it?

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I've had my trap closed for this entire discussion but I can't hold it in anymore. You are naive, you don't understand the type of damage people like Schappelle Corby do to our cause. If people are getting busted for illegal smuggling in countries outside their own.. don't you think that just gives people more ammunition to come down harder on Marijuana or stop the progress we're beginning to make?

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Enough said...

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Honestly you said enough a while ago. Your last few posts have just been rants and raves.

In case I did not make myself clear. I do not support Corby. Corby is counterproductive to our cause. It's one thing to stand up for cannabis rights but it's another thing to blindly rush into battle over something simply because it's related to cannabis.

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Originally Posted by SteveV

The Australian government will confirm that Schapelle Corby made a formal request to have the drugs tested. Ask your rep there. Facts always trump baseless smears.

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So you believe you are privy to all the facts .
Baseless smears you say , proven accusations say I.
The fact that the Australian goverment has washed thier hands of it should tell you all you need to know.

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Originally Posted by SteveV

I am also retaining the screenshots of your earlier libel in case it is required by anyone for legal action against you.

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That is just so pathetic , you cannot defame someone who is GUILTY !

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Originally Posted by SteveV

Campaigning against someone suffering in a hell hole for 20 years eh? I wonder exactly what motivates that?

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Nobody is campaigning against your poor little smuggler they are simply sharing thier opinions on the case , you are the only one getting thier knickers in a twist.

BTW accusing someone of being a liar is defamation so maybe you should think nefore you start making threats to others or you may find your own head on the block.

This is my final word on this and I will no longer feed the troll.

1. So where do you want me to upload the scan of the official document (the file note dated December 3 2004) to? I have the JPG here, ready.

2. Cannot defame anyone who is guilty? Please bother to keep track of the posts before making statements like that. This statement libel "the family is busy scamming dollars online".

Unless she can prove that, which she can't (because the accounts are audited), she has libelled the Corby family. If I was them I would identify her and sue her for that lie.


Campiagning is posting again and again and again to argue she should be left in that cell 20 years. THAT is campaigning, and it is ugly.

Oh enough with the slander and libel accusations. You have so much to prove such as malicious intent and trying to present things as fact when they are clearly false and that opinions formed and stated are so far from the truth that only someone who was out to defame an individual could come up with these opinions from the facts. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make it libel or slander and since she has been convicted of a crime, all of these opinions are possible. In the latest accusation of slander/libel, it seems reasonable for someone to view a convicted criminal with a website asking for money as having less than noble motives.

In short Steve, the people you are accusing of slander and libel are forming reasonable opinions based on the facts and that's not illegal. If for some reason a jury found the statements to be slander/libel (meaning that jury was also insane) what kind of award are they going to give for this? What damages have been caused by a handful of people talking about it on an internet forum? Oh, wait did you see that news report? The Bali government has been reading this website and because many more people from the internet think she is guilty, they have added 5 years to her sentence. :rolleyes:

No one is defaming her and no one is causing any damages to her. Please stay on topic and argue about Corby and the Bali government or legal system, not about each other and about slander and libel.

I wish they did fingerprint the bad or whatever it was but do you know how often this is done in any country? Not very often. I'm not sure proving which country the pot was grown in would have made a huge difference but yeah I would have liked to have seen the bag dusted.

You DO have to wonder where the sense of entitlement came from with Steve here.

He's right.....everyone else is not only wrong but deserves to be in a cell or some other "inhuman" thing because they don't agree with him.

Steve you've been called out by several very intelligent people here with very good, rational arguments and statements. Yours, on the other hand, are neither.

You arent getting very far here because your bitterness, hositility and dislike for people squeezes through all the cracks in your careful dissertation. Nobody wants anything to do with with hostile, bitter, raging folks whose judgment is obviously in question. If your thinking is twisted there....which it is.....then no one is going to trust your judgement in regards to other things as well.

Which they don't.

I too am finished here.

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Originally Posted by FakeBoobsRule

Oh enough with the slander and libel accusations.

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Whether you like it or not this statement is libelous "the family is busy scamming dollars online". Ask someone who knows ANYTHING about the law if you don't believe me.

It is libel against that family, because they are not scamming dollars online: to make that statement legally you would have to prove they were.

A responsible forum should not allow the forum to be used for libel. In doing so you are exposing the forum itself to some risk.

Sure, you can abuse me again for saying that, but maybe you should instead ask some third party with at least a little exposure to law.

All I am doing is telling you the truth. You seem to be dodging it.


Finally, yes, I DO dislike people who are compassionless. I feel real pity for Schapelle Corby: she doesn't deserve 20 years in a hell hole. I find it hard to relate, at all, to those who seem to relish her pain and suffering.

Thanks, FBR I was dawdling over a response, but you have made most of it unnecessary.

There are a couple of things I want to point out about the video, one of the claims was that the trial was a 'show trial'. The premise seems to be the fact that Indonesia has an inquisitional judicial system rather than an oppositional one. I think it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that this breaches her human rights.

And the suggestion that she is also a victim of an international conspiracy to do with funding some war on drugs? How am I supposed to swallow that? I might have been able to accept the baggage handlers bit (but I doubt they'd be that sloppy and forget 4.2 kg). Unfortunately these rather Byzantine machinations don't bear any relationship to the political reality of Indonesia.

In comparison with other sentences under the same regime, she didn't get anything extraordinary. What most people don't realise when they see the video is that time is measured very differently in Indonesia to the way time is measured in the west. Waktu karet or "rubber time" governs all things Indonesian and it troubles me that the video implies that the Indonesian government really want to keep her for a full 20 years.

Each year, prisoners who behave can expect to get a month off their sentence for events such as independence day, birthdays and religious holidays specific to the religion of the prisoner. This, combined with the 5 year reduction Ms Corby won at appeal, brought me to my earlier estimate of 10 years.

It appears they are prepared to say anything that will increase the likelihood of garnering sympathy regardless of the truth.

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Campiagning is posting again and again and again to argue she should be left in that cell 20 years. THAT is campaigning, and it is ugly.

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I'm sure that's not what you meant to say, anyway I'd call it fund-raising rather than campaigning and my motivation to engage with you is pretty simple really...

I don't like it when people piss down my back and try and tell me it's raining.

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Originally Posted by SteveV

It is libel against that family, because they are not scamming dollars online: to make that statement legally you would have to prove they were.

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You seriously don't understand Australian defamation laws.

Unless you can come up with something new, I'm putting this to bed.

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Originally Posted by SteveV

Whether you like it or not this statement is libelous "the family is busy scamming dollars online". Ask someone who knows ANYTHING about the law if you don't believe me.

It is libel against that family, because they are not scamming dollars online: to make that statement legally you would have to prove they were.

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I'm not a lawyer but this is basic law here in America. People's opinions if reasonable and not malicious are not defamation. She's been convicted of a crime and with as many online scams from "Send us your banking information" to "if you give me $25,000 for expenses we can access this $7.3 million tied up in this bank in another country" to people milking the government for charity after national disasters to people robbing charities it is plausible that may be a possibility.

Under Steve's definiton of libel/slander, Jay Leno, David Letterman, and Conan O'Brian are all guilty as hell after their opening monologues. Do you know who they are SteveV (asking that based on your flag). While you're at it, go check out What would Tyler Durden Do dot com and see what he says about celebrities and isn't being sued left and right. All the 9/11 consipracy believers and people who write about it would be guilty of libel or slander since there is nothing proving this as fact yet they love to go on and on about it.

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Originally Posted by SteveV

A responsible forum should not allow the forum to be used for libel. In doing so you are exposing the forum itself to some risk.

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Again, I'm not a lawyer but I'm sure the forum isn't being used to spread libel or exposing itself to risk. Maybe I'll post a video on youtube and a website for donation for the save canncom from the Cobry libel lawsuits.

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Originally Posted by SteveV

Sure, you can abuse me again for saying that, but maybe you should instead ask some third party with at least a little exposure to law.

All I am doing is telling you the truth. You seem to be dodging it.

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Oh, stop with the big huge pity party you're having about being attacked and abused. I've been watching this thread as well as other mods and while this is obviously a hot button topic, everyone has been relatively civil. No one is dodging the truth either; they are facing it head on.