4 pigs killed by growers

Canada has the European model of socialism, which I'm not a fan of. It's not like your healthcare in Canada is truly free, you pay for it with higher tax rates. So it's better to go to Canada if you know you're going to have a crappy job or be a homeless bum. If you're educated, and have a good job all that happens is you end up paying for the healthcare of every bum in the country. And last I checked Canada has a fairly high unemployment rate (at least in some areas).
In the US if you have a decent salaried position, you'll get health care through your employer, so you basically get nearly free health insurance and you get to take home a bigger portion of the money YOU earned so you can spend it on what you want rather than be forced to pay for the healthcare of some bum who can't get a job. Nothing is ever truly free.

But I do feel bad for the cops. These jerks are giving stoners a bad name and their actions are going to result in more unfavorable scrutiny into the mj legalization arena. Some cops are good, some are bad. I've known a few cops and a sheriff. They were in my martial arts class. Kinda funny considering they had to take orders from me during class even though they were cops and about 30 yrs older than me, I was a higher rank. But they were nice guys with nice families and I wouldn't wish them any ill will. I feel bad for these cops and their families just as I feel bad for the people who were victims of bad cops, I feel bad for the cops who are victims of bad stoners.

peace

I agree with almost everything you said about the cops! Only that

"I feel bad for the cops who are victims of bad stoners"

I am throwing a guess out when I say, I am sure that this is far more than some stoners, who smoked a few fat one's, this is no doubt a gang related killing, we will hear much more about this story!

And BTW....I don't want this to turn into a debate about Canada but.... You said...

"In the US if you have a decent salaried position, you'll get health care through your employer"

Canadian employers give you health & dental here as well! You just don't need a salaried position! Check your facts and I will be happy to come debate Canada, it is a great country to live in! And smoke some great weed! So before you all come down on Canada come down to Canada, smoke a joint and stop knocking my country!

Canada is a peace lovin country....get over it!

dude i have nothing against canada sorry if it came off that way. i plan on maybe moving out of the us....it depends what happens over the next 4-6 yrs though.

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dude i have nothing against canada sorry if it came off that way. i plan on maybe moving out of the us....it depends what happens over the next 4-6 yrs though.

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My quote was from Phillykids post! I was not really offened, I don't care what anyone thinks of Canada, I LOVE IT! :D

thats the spirit

Yeah you're probably right about those guys, probably far more going on than just weed, but you know how they'll be labeled right?

About Canada, sorry if you took my post to be offensive. I was arguing about how others are saying health care is so expensive in the US and all. My aunt lives in Canada and I've been there many times. As I see it NOTHING is ever free. Social Security in the States isn't free because it comes outta tax dollars and it's people like you and me who pay tax. I prefer the method of economics that lets me decide what I want to do with my own hard earned money. If I get a good education and work hard I don't think I should have to be responsible for those who don't. And if I'm in a hard situation, I see it as my fault and I should be able to take care of myself. I'm my own responsibility and nobody else's.

This is more of a capitalist model, the model the US follows (and not enough might I add). Canada does follow a socialist model similar to many countries in Europe where there are higher taxes but the government gives you more things. Like you guys don't have to pay for college whereas we do have to pay for our higher education. If everyone gets free healthcare in Canada then why do you need to have an employer give you healthcare....you already have it, but perhaps they give you better healthcare. But the taxes you pay with whatever job you have, a portion of that is going to have to pay for healthcare for those who don't have jobs. Otherwise where does the money come from?

Perhaps I'm defensive about the US because it's so popular for the entire world to hate on us when they do the same bullshit or they've done the same bullshit. The US can't exist like Canada, we have 10 times the population (roughly 270 million more people here than in Canada) so there will be some big differences. Canada also doesn't feel the need to have a strong military cause if someone messes with Canada the US will stomp them into the ground.

Personally I find the people in Toronto where my aunt lives to be very nice folk. And they keep their cities clean and nice unlike in the US where idiots feel the need to trash everything. Their drug policy is more sensible, and they seem to have much less racial tension than in the US. I also prefer their immigration policies. But I simply don't like Socialist governments, I don't want to be responsible for everyone else's bills, gimmie my tax dollars and let me decide how to use my own money, it's nobody else's business whether I decide to donate to charity or buy a plasma screen tv.

And this has nothing to do with Iraq, I'm guessing that's where the peace loving comment comes from. Whether we send troops to Iraq or not, doesn't really affect you guys up north. But it does sacrifice American lives and I think that in the long run the world is better off with a democratic middle east, but I'm not so sure that the price we Americans pay for it (the blood of our children, spouses, siblings, and friends) is going to be worth it. Afghanistan had a vote recently, Iraq had a better turnout than america and they braved mortor fire to vote, Lebanon recently tossed out the suppressive Syrian government, the palestinians had a vote. More and more people are taking the power into their own hands, and voting and I see that as a good thing.

I don't understand the ire of the rest of the world over this. We are the ones making sacrifices not them. We are the ones putting our folk in the line of fire. So Americans should be (and they are) speaking out against Bush's Iraq situation. We're the ones that should be the most pissed off cause we've lost the most. The only thing France, Germany and Russia lost was the ability to get oil at a price cheaper than OPEC would ever allow while propping up and aiding Saddam in circumventing the UN sanctions on Iraq, thus lining their pockets with the blood of the kurds and sunni muslims.

[QUOTE=phillykid420]Canada has the European model of socialism, which I'm not a fan of. It's not like your healthcare in Canada is truly free, you pay for it with higher tax rates. So it's better to go to Canada if you know you're going to have a crappy job or be a homeless bum.


In other words you have a good job and dont care about poor people. In fact you demonize them as what lazy bums? I guess you need someone to look down on, because everyone had the same chamces as you in life, right?





If you're educated, and have a good job all that happens is you end up paying for the healthcare of every bum in the country.


I would rather pay for poor people to see a doctor than pay to have bombs dropped on the 2rd world. My tax dollars dont kill muslim babies.





And last I checked Canada has a fairly high unemployment rate (at least in some areas).
In the US if you have a decent salaried position, you'll get health care through your employer, so you basically get nearly free health insurance and you get to take home a bigger portion of the money YOU earned so you can spend it on what you want rather than be forced to pay for the healthcare of some bum who can't get a job. Nothing is ever truly free.



Wow you are evil. So the people who work at wal mart or burger king deserve to die right? Not everyone has a good job. And someone has to work the shit jobs too. BTW your taxes arent that much lower. I would rather pay high taxes to make sure poor children get to see a doctor, its not their fault. But when you get right down to it its not their parents fault either. You are just greedy and selfish. I think its barbaric that you dont want poor people to be able to see a doctor. Anyway YOU need poor people. Poor unemplyed people fill new jobs, without unemployed people there would be zero economic growth.

You live in a bubble dude. So because YOU have a good job, everyone must have one too or they are lazy bum. Thats a pretty ignorant attitude. I just spent years in university living well below the poverty line, if i didnt have socialized health care i would have been fucked when i got sick. Sorry you consider me a lazy bum for having worked shitty mimimum wage jobs during university. My parents didnt help me at all, even with a place to live. I had no choice but to be poor, and it sure wasnt because i was lazy. And the people working macdonalds arent "happy" they have that job its all they can get. And trust me its a fucking hard job too.
Hating on the poor is just like racism sexism homophobia, but because you are a right winger i guess its ok to hate. Its part of your ideology

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. I prefer the method of economics that lets me decide what I want to do with my own hard earned money.

I dont agree with that. I think you should have to join in to the public system.
Its like private schools, if you want to go to one fine, but u should still have to pay your taxes into the public system. If you want to pay out of your own pocket into the private school system as well, fine. Same with health care, i think you should have to still pay into it, and if you want to go to a private hospital, than it shoud cost extra. Opting out weakens the system over all.




If I get a good education and work hard I don't think I should have to be responsible for those who don't.


It isnt that you are responsible for them, its just basic human kidness. This may surprize you but many people are poor because they have fucked up diseases. Other people had upbringings that were staight up horror shows. It sint always their "fault" they are say drunks or crack heads.




And if I'm in a hard situation, I see it as my fault and I should be able to take care of myself. I'm my own responsibility and nobody else's.


How is it someones "fault" if they end up with cancer or in a whellchair and they cant work? I did a semester of school with a social work placement, you should go see who the poor really are, instead of relying on sterotypes of them being "lazy" or not responsible for themselves. Most people who are poor dont want to be, its not a choice.



This is more of a capitalist model, the model the US follows (and not enough might I add). Canada does follow a socialist model similar to many countries in Europe where there are higher taxes but the government gives you more things. Like you guys don't have to pay for college whereas we do have to pay for our higher education.


Education is not free in canada. Its subsidised, it was 5 grand canadian tutuion a year when i went there. I could never afford to go to school at harvard or yale. I think the only thing you should need to go to school is the brains. I bet there are lots of inner city kids in america who are smart enough to be doctors but never will because of money. They guy who could discover the cure to cancer could be flipping burgers right now, and not get the chance.



If everyone gets free healthcare in Canada then why do you need to have an employer give you healthcare....you already have it, but perhaps they give you better healthcare. But the taxes you pay with whatever job you have, a portion of that is going to have to pay for healthcare for those who don't have jobs. Otherwise where does the money come from?



I think its a basci human right, healthcare. Its just public schools, no matter how poor you are your kids get to go. Its good for all society. Having sick people not able to go the doctor is bad for all society.


Perhaps I'm defensive about the US because it's so popular for the entire world to hate on us when they do the same bullshit or they've done the same bullshit. The US can't exist like Canada, we have 10 times the population (roughly 270 million more people here than in Canada) so there will be some big differences. Canada also doesn't feel the need to have a strong military cause if someone messes with Canada the US will stomp them into the ground.



Maybe its because canada isnt off pissing off other nations and making them want to kill us. America acts like a big bully, thats why you have all the enemies.




But I simply don't like Socialist governments, I don't want to be responsible for everyone else's bills, gimmie my tax dollars and let me decide how to use my own money, it's nobody else's business whether I decide to donate to charity or buy a plasma screen tv.



I dont consider my fellow human beings lives to be charity. I dont want an extra grand or something a year less in taxes, and have to live in a place where sick people die for lack of money. Thats third world lifestyle.



And this has nothing to do with Iraq, I'm guessing that's where the peace loving comment comes from. Whether we send troops to Iraq or not, doesn't really affect you guys up north.


Yeah it does affect us. When i go to europe and someone thinks i might be american because i sound like one. I could get beat up because of your government. And wars effect everyone.





But it does sacrifice American lives and I think that in the long run the world is better off with a democratic middle east, but I'm not so sure that the price we Americans pay for it (the blood of our children, spouses, siblings, and friends) is going to be worth it.


I have problem with america being the model for freedom. I dont think being able to vote is worth killing everyone. I dont think you can bomb them into freedom. If they want it, they should have dont it them selves. You dont want to pay for peoples operations, but you dont mind paying to force iraqis to be like you?




Afghanistan had a vote recently, Iraq had a better turnout than america and they braved mortor fire to vote, Lebanon recently tossed out the suppressive Syrian government, the palestinians had a vote. More and more people are taking the power into their own hands, and voting and I see that as a good thing.


But america has supported in the past so many of the people it now wants to oust, its really you people who made tyrants prosper in the first place.





I don't understand the ire of the rest of the world over this. We are the ones making sacrifices not them. We are the ones putting our folk in the line of fire.


I see the people shooting at you as the good guys. You invade another nation and want to to force them to be like you, and somhow you are the good guys? I dont think demcracy is good just because america says it is. Its not worth dying for.




So Americans should be (and they are) speaking out against Bush's Iraq situation. We're the ones that should be the most pissed off cause we've lost the most. The only thing France, Germany and Russia lost was the ability to get oil at a price cheaper than OPEC would ever allow while propping up and aiding Saddam in circumventing the UN sanctions on Iraq, thus lining their pockets with the blood of the kurds and sunni muslims.



And america never supports the bad guys right? Like in say saudi arabia?

I am no friend of cops, hell i grow, been busted in the past. If pot was legal this wouldn't happen, but come on folks these people had families, young kids. There is no amount of pot or money is worth what thier children are going through. The people are at fault, me you and everyone who wants pot legal, it is up to us to overthrow these assholes running things.

Here is the latest update :( I find this terrible and sad.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ing050304.html