Do You Think John McCain Represents â??Changeâ?�?

yeesh.

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Originally Posted by greengoddess420

Originally Posted by daihashi
Here in America most employers.. MOST... will pay for your health insurance.

you're pulling this broad stroked generalization out of thin air, as I'm sure you will be doing in the rest of this post. This is flat out FALSE.

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And I see that you isolated me; if you've read any of my posts yo uknow I generally source all my information. So Please, attack my posts. I will be ready.

BTW.. here are some insurance stats from NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Coverage
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The percentage of people (workers and dependents) with employment-based health insurance has dropped from 70 percent in 1987 to 59 percent in 2006. This is the lowest level of employment-based insurance coverage in more than a decade.4, 5

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I posted a source in another thread that stated that employment based health insurance rose something like 2.1% in 2007. It was from the new york times I believe. I'll search through other threads and see if I can find the link but the last time I checked 61% is a most/majority... hell even 59% is the most/majority.

There is a drop of 9% over the last 21 years. This would indicate that there is a problem that needs to be fixed.. not that we need to socialize our health care.

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This is another completely unfounded generalization that capitalists love to claim, you have NO CLUE how the healthcare system actually works in places like canada. Germany spends about 1/5th of what america spends on health care and yes EVERYONE gets covered.

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Really?

Germany Tax Laws Tax System Germany. - WorldWide-Tax.com

I see some pretty hefty tax brackets there as well as some SERIOUS taxing of corporations.. which often results in mediocre pay. A company can't pay it's employees what it has to pay in taxes...

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I'm sure you do.

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Why thank you for questioning where some of my friends live, but I assure you I have friends in Canada. If you choose to not believe me then that is your problem and not mine and probably does not need to be commented on.

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and they only exist because we have our wonderful flawless insurance companies to pay for the over priced unsafe drugs

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We have one of the most strenuous drug testing processes worldwide. While there are errors you can't expect a perfect system.

While I agree drugs are overpriced I would have to say this is no fault of the insurance companies. If you've worked for any company that invests heavily in research and development then you would know that the cost to develop a new product is extremely high. While I agree the cost of medicine should be lower.. you honestly can't expect it to be extremely cheap either.

If these pharmaceutical companies do not make profit and keep their investors happy then they will not have the capital necessary to budget research for new drugs that help extend and improve our lives.

It's sad that this is the reality of things.. but we do not have socialized medicine and socialization of medicine would be the only way to force the cost to what people deem 'reasonable'.

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uh reality check dude, when's the last time someone actually wanted us in their country and we came to their rescue? I do believe africa is still swimming in genocide.

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We do more militarily than go into other countries. We do supply countries with weapons you know as does China and Russia. You're so quick to jump to assumptions. So eager to angrily slam me down.

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I work for a small struggling company that pays me half what I could get anywhere else in the industry I work in. They cant afford to pay me what based on my skills and experience, and I cant afford private insurance. I guess I just deserve to suffer.

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Yes... you do. You know the situation you're in. It's not like I haven't been in a similar situation but I didn't put my healthcare responsibility onto someone else. Texas is a right to work state. Meaning you are not obligated to stay at your current company. If you have a problem with your benefits then you are free to find a job with a company that will give you full benefits.

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dude. NO WE DONT. I Live in texas.

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That's pretty amazing to hear because pretty much all states have local medical programs. This does not necessarily mean insurance coverage or prescriptions necessarily but rather services that you would normally have to go to a doctor for but instead go to a government program for instead.

Texas Department of State Health Services

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sick people. this part still works the same. healthcare budget. You know there are a lot of "public" positions in america that aren't paid for by "consumers" but rather citizens.

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And you don't see this being rather costly by people who would abuse the system by going to the doctor when they have a case of mild diarreah? Or is your faith in human honesty so great that you think this will never happen? When people abuse the system it becomes enormously costly. A perfect example would be for you to review your cities annual cost to support 9/11 in comparison of the true emergencies vs non emergencies.

A non emergency call costs alot of money. Paramedics or Firemen or police have to be dispatched. You have the cost of the vehicle they drive.. the cost of maintenance, insurance, the cost of the salary of the employees responding to the call, the cost of the call center person who picked up the phone, and any other overhead that goes along with that.

People abusing a public service really racks up the cost FAST!

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yeah because people who are sick and in need of medical attention but cant afford it are just lazy parasites. I know.

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I did not mean being lazy due to being sick. My brother is mentally retarded, cannot walk, talk, speak. He has severe motor function impairment among other things. I would hardly call him lazy. I love how you instantly jumped at the chance to judge me here.

What I meant by laziness are that people are too lazy to get off their ass and WORK at making sure they get these programs. It takes effort. The government isn't going to just HAND over anything. They want to make sure they aren't getting ripped off (ironic eh?). It took quite some time and effort to get my brother his benefits. Years, but now he has them and it's just about impossible to take them from him now.

You say you make low pay and don't get benefits, have you gotten up and seen if you can qualify for medical benefits through government assistance? I'm going to assume that you havent but if I'm wrong here then I apologize.

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I'm really at a loss that there are people out there who still think this way.

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I'm really at a loss at your audacity to make false assumptions about me being that you are a new user to these forums. It's really too bad that your arguments don't hold any water.

I'm done with the b.s. in here. From here on out if the only means of debate you have is to call someones opinion or the member ignorant, that person will be on a LONG vacation!:mad:

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

I think John McCain represents a change for the better, but mostly because the Bush admnistration has been SO BAD.

I think McCain would be more bipartisan than Bush in his approach to the opposition party.

I think he would be far more fiscally responsible than Bush, who has nearly bankrupted this country.

I think he would be more competent in conducting the war, even though he doesn't really represent any change in policy on the war. Instead of this half-committed, let-it-bleed Bush appraoch, I think McCain would either go all out, or he would get out.

I prefer McCain's more moderate kind of Republican style over Bush's ultra-conservative style. I think he wouldn't be as beholden to the religious right as Bush was.

I think he would end the torture of suspected terrorists.

At this point I am going to vote for Obama, but I think McCain would represent a positive change away from some of the things I have hated most about the Bush adminstration. He would not be a complete disaster like Bush was.

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Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

i think mccain would be a better president than george bush, but he would be the same kind of jingoist, trickle down, simplistic, joe sixpack president as george bush so he's not the right man to work on reversing the problems caused by george bush




"The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should ... (but) I've got Greenspan's book."
- John McCain, December 2007


more scary john mccain quotes:

"The fact is we had four years of failed policy. We were losing. We were losing the war in Iraq. The consequences of failure and defeat of the United States of America in the first major conflict since 9/11 would have had devastating impacts throughout the region and the world." --forgetting the war in Afghanistan, which was launched in October 2001, CBS News interview, July 21, 2008

"We have a lot of work to do. It's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the Iraq-Pakistan border." --referring to a border that does not exist, ABC News interview, July 21, 2008 (Watch video clip)

"I was concerned about a couple of steps that the Russian government took in the last several days. One was reducing the energy supplies to Czechoslovakia." --referring to a country that no longer exists, Phoenix, Arizona, July 14, 2008

"I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself. I don't expect to be a great communicator, I don't expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need." --New York Times interview, July 13, 2008

"Maybe that's a way of killing them." --responding to a report that $158 million in cigarettes have been shipped to Iran during Bush's presidency despite restrictions on U.S. exports to that country, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, July 8, 2008

"Americans have got to understand that we are paying present-day retirees with the taxes paid by young workers in America today. And that's a disgrace. It's an absolute disgrace and it's got to be fixed." --on Social Security, Denver, Colorado, July 7, 2008

"That's not too important. What's important is the casualties." --on when U.S. troops will return from Iraq, "Today," NBC, June 11, 2008

"I will veto every single beer, um, bill with earmarks." --speaking at the National Small Business Summit, Washington, D.C., June 10, 2008 (Watch video clip)

"Well, basically, it's a Google." --on how he's conducting his VP search, Richmond, Virginia, June 9, 2008

"We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies." --Kenner, Louisiana, June 3, 2008 (Watch video clip)

"Make it a hundred...That would be fine with me." -to a questioner who asked if he supported President Bush's vision for keeping U.S. troops in Iraq for 50 years

"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated."

re: canadians friends going to america for health care

i live in canada and we have private medical clinics and public hospitals that cater to americans who come up here to access cheap medical, dental, and eye care...there are a few private medical clinics in my city that have been serving americans for years...we also had busloads of american senior citizens coming across the border to fill their prescriptions...providing medical care to americans is big business up here, and the economic crisis is probably going to drive more americans north to save money


cambie surgical clinic:
Cambie Surgery Centre - Vancouver, BC, Canada

false creek surgical clinic:
False Creek Surgical Centre - Vancouver Surgery


Ontario MDs to launch medical tourism firm

LISA PRIEST

September 30, 2008

Ailing Americans will soon be able to buy surgery at bargain prices in Canadian hospitals through a new medical tourism company founded by two physicians.

Markham-based anesthetist Shehbaz Butt says he can provide international patients quality choices through his company, Canadian Healthcare International Corp., at rates drastically lower than those in the United States.

"We realized that we can help the international patients while indirectly helping our local patients by creating additional revenue for Canadian hospitals," Dr. Butt wrote in an e-mail. He said the procedures would not interfere with care provided to patients here.

I think McCain is for change after all! He changes what he says every day!:wtf:


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Depends on what kind of change you like.

War: Not much gonna change there, except for more casualties. Victory? Don't even START on that bullshit.

Economics: Not raise ANYONES taxes? Well, I guess we're stuck with the rich getting richer and poor getting poorer. Spending freeze? Gimme a fucking break, that will last for a week before he realizes "Oh, shit, when we don't spend money NOTHING GETS DONE." Spending money makes the world go round, whether you like it or not.

Social Issues: What is there to say? He's a conservative republican, social freedom is the LAST thing this guy cares about, unless it's "infanticide" once that egg leaves the wall.

Honestly, I see no positive change whatsoever if he gets elected. He didnt even start using the change message until he saw how effective it was with Obama. Talk about reading the other teams playbook.

I believe if McCain is elected the only change we will see will be in our pockets, and will will call it a paycheck!!!

mccain is proposing a spending freeze AFTER the largest increase in federal spending in history...the US gov't finances are in bankruptcy territory and mccain sez "ZAP! you're frozen!" (except for military spending which he plans to increase)...how does that solve anything?

i don't see any sensible solutions from obama on the deficits either