IRAQ WAR 2002 / IRAN WAR 2008

LOL P4B i always lose on sports betting.....Yes i know you have missiles to thats not the point.

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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue

I don't think a war with Iran will happen, if it does though a lot more american blood will be lost

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The people making the decisions regarding the war(s) don't give a rat's ass about bloodshed, otherwise we still wouldn't be there. This is America, it's all about the money...

We're broke,
we're broke,
and oh yeah, did I mention how broke we are?

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

So once again how back far into history do we go on this? Just as far back as Muslim control or futher into others?


WOW, 1050 B.C. it was the Israel Empire.......so where on this map does it state Palestinian Empire, or state, or country...etc... Using your logic it seems that the damn Palestinians are trying to steal the Jewish lands.:D

Have a good one!:s4:

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How about as far back to a time when there were still inhabitants who are alive today, or at least their first generation of children. You can't seriously justify stealing the lands of millions of people to give it back to someone who owned it a thousand years ago. Just to keep with our linguistic theme, by your logic Americans should be evicted from this continent and have it given back to the Natives. I mean damn, we could dig through history and redraw this whole planet's borders!


Atrocities aren't justified for the sake of vengeance upon a race who's ancestors did wrong a millenia ago. There are people who are literally, personally displaced from land that is rightfully theirs. Not via racial inheritance, not because of "what could have been" hundreds of years ago, but members of the immediate family who by are entitled to their own land. Any court with a bit of sense would see a difference between somebody who robbed my father, as opposed to long-dead folk who robbed my ancestors a thousand years ago.

Well, if they were to follow your guidelines on this then the region should be known as the Ottoman Empire. I'm currently 46 and back in 1948 my father was 18...owned no land to speak of. Get my point of this?

Have a good one!:s4:

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

I think a war with Iran could a be a possibility in the future somewhere but not anytime particularly soon. But I think it's probably needed. But instead of fighting a war like we are now our leaders need to get some balls. I mean wtf is the limit here? Are we going to wait until they have nuclear capabilities? Sure they couldn't hit us but we do have a few allies they could really fuck up.

They keep on poking the sleeping bear here and when the U.S. actually does stand up everyone looks at us like were war mongerers. And you can thank the U.N. for a large portion of this mess. The U.N. is one of the biggest mistake the United States has ever created and if we were intelligent we would have cut them off like the cancer they are. Pretty much it's a huge assembly of anti-American propaganda. The U.N. doesn't have a back bone. They threaten and threaten, all full of hot air and empty promises, and Iran learns nothing. They just continue to do what they want.

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Make no mistake, we are a nation of war mongerers. We are the self proclaimed world leader, anybody that doesn't abide by what we say gets attacked. That's pretty much American foreign policy in a nutshell. So why is it surprising when someone like Ahmadinejad, or Kim Jong-il play chicken with us? They are only testing us, they are no serious thread. The fact that some of our government leaders even consider them a threat is completely ridiculous, and is the reason why these piss poor countries feel the need to arm themselves.

What exactly is a war with Iran supposed to accomplish? When have aggressive wars ever accomplished anything? They did nothing in Vietnam, did nothing for the Russians when they invaded Afghanistan, and has done nothing in Iraq. So what exactly could we accomplish by dropping some bombs on another country of brown people? We can't stop Iran's nuclear intentions through war, it's not even possible. Our bunker busting missiles are mostly only effective for primitive bunkers, not the ones Iran has to protect their nuclear research labs.

If anybody seriously believes in a world without nuclear arms, then you need to start your world peace parade in your own country first. No country in the world produces more nuclear weapons than we do, we have the technology to destroy the entire human race on this planet. Countries like Iran and North Korea wouldn't even bother with nuclear technology if they felt they were being taken seriously in the world. Their nuclear research is the product of bad American foreign policy, a foreign policy that prefers laser guided missiles over peace talks with enemies.

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Originally Posted by Markass

The people making the decisions regarding the war(s) don't give a rat's ass about bloodshed, otherwise we still wouldn't be there. This is America, it's all about the money...

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I guess Zimbabwe doesn't have as much Oil...

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

well, I agree that nobody should be allowed to, and we should all respect each other's sovereignty...however, nobody right now is going to do anything to change the superpower in the world, which is so obviously America. And until that time, they will do what they please. Never did I say this was good. It's terrible. But what can you or I do? Nothing. The world has to act on that.
And yes, everyone is well aware of the things the CIA does...again, never said I supported that.

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I am not sure if I should feel angry or sad at this. It's a horrible thing when someone looses as much faith in the power that they hold as citizens. The problem being is most Americans either feel like you, or could give a rat's ass about anything outside their own personal lives. The apathy that the system has created about the system is beyond believable! It saddens me with all the lack of involvement and backbone that's in this country.

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

So, to the issue at hand. Translation of this infamous phrase.
I'm sorry...but they are close enough for me. You think wiping away the regime means like a peaceful removal of government?? Guess again dude. Don't take it so literal, and assume he means the government. He could mean regime like the entire settlement. And really lets be honest, you think ...that given the weaponry(nuclear or not, it doesnt matter)anyways..you think that if the Iranians had the power to do damage in Israel, that they wouldn't? Think if he held the red trigger to the nuke set in Israel, he wouldn't pull it? Give me a BREAK!!!!!!! He'd salivate at the chance. And the "mistranslation" you speak of ...wipe israel off the map...guess what, over there, it isn't even on the map! Their children grow up without knowledge that it even exists, and are taught many other things about the terrible nature of Jewish culture and heritage. So, raising generations of kids under false historical facts and a skewed version of the way the world came to be...preaching hate...I'm sorry but that's ridiculous.

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And you're willing to destroy an entire country over a translation "close enough for you"? I really hope you are fluant or have some understanding of the Persian language.
How do you know that this is how life is in Iran. Have you lived there? Have you spent time learning their culture? All you know is what you can try and read. I would not take any MSM word on this either from the "Left" or the "right" networks.

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Originally Posted by FreshNugz

And look...that land was stolen how long ago!?? Get the hell over it!! Why are they still threatening the Jews? Leave it alone!! Until they grow up and shut up, they deserve everything they're getting. Iran is a terrible place, and its people are in the grasp of a terrible man. Have you forgotten Zarah Kazemi? If so, I'll remind you that she was an Iranian Canadian who took a photograph of Evin prison while on a trip there, and they captured her, tortured her, raped her, and then killed her. Then, they refused to return the body, and refused negotiation with the Canadian government, refused details, etc. There have been several cases identical to hers as well. Maybe her memory might jog some sentiment into you that defending the Iranian government is beyond shameful.
You want to defend what they do because they lost some land a long time ago?? Ridiculous.

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Their Government is a product of America man!!

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

LOL...Iran doesn't sponsor terrorism? O.K.; another great report from MSNBC....all left all day long. Guess these people never heard of Hezbullah.

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Not all countries see the Hezbollah as Terrorists. Some countries see this group as legitimate resistance movement. So, I suppose it really depends on how your personal view of the world is. And, really has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with right or left thinking, and whoever thinks this way is already a product of their system.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

And of course they definately aren't looking at having a nuke. Sitting on an ocean of oil it's a necessity that they have nuclear power for peaceful purposes. :rolleyes:

Have a good one!:s4:

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And what is Americas excuse for having them? I am not "Ant-American" it's just a question that should be asked.

Ok to the first comment you made about me having lost faith in my personal ability to change the US position of world police force. Well, I can't make a difference. That's why I said the world has to act. So my comment shouldn't make you sad or mad. I'm all for the power of people to enforce change, but in the case of this it's a different scenario. It will take something huge. Like maybe a person capable of running that country being elected...sometime...
And I'm canadian, so the lack of backbone you say I have really doesn't apply to any analysis of your country.

And second, about the Iranian thing...I didn't say ever that I advocated destroying Iran. Nowhere. Please don't put words in my mouth. And yes, I do know that they teach in an anti semitic fashion, and oppress any sort of person who doesn't conform to islamic law in Iran. I don't need any left or right news networks to tell me, the people have ways of getting words out.

And to the last point...who's government are you talking about.