Geert Wilders' Islamophobic documentary suffers a new set back

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Originally Posted by McLeodGanja

Yeah some of the scenes in it are pretty horrific, I agree.

No shots of........white soldiers torturing Iraqi men........

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What makes you so sure that "white" soldiers are the only ones guilty of alleged torture in Iraq? We have a very diverse military.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

What makes you so sure that "white" soldiers are the only ones guilty of alleged torture in Iraq? We have a very diverse military.

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Well the ones I saw on telly looked caucasian, but that is not to say there weren't others from a variety of ethnic backgrounds taking part in the Iraq Invasion.

Two 15 year old caucasian males just killed a 20 year old girl for being a goth, beat her to death while she tried to save her boyfriend who had also just taken a beating. So much for our western values, I guess our culture must be doing something wrong as well when this kind of thing happens.

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Lancashire | Boy convicted of Goth park murder

Here's an interesting article about Saddam Hussein's torture methods. I don't really know if it was worth removing him from power - but information like this does not make much of a case for him. If things are worse over there today, than during Saddam's regeme, it's due more to Islamic extremist factions than the coalition soldiers' actions.

Saddam-era torture tools in mobile museum of horror

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BAGHDAD (AFP) â?? Gruesome instruments of torture and the personal effects of victims killed by henchmen of dictator Saddam Hussein haunt Iraqis five years after the fall of his brutal regime.

The display, currently on show in Baghdad, is due to travel across the country in "tribute to the thousands of martyrs" murdered when Saddam was in power, former political prisoner Amed Naji al-Badawi said.

Badawi is on a committee of Iraqi former political prisoners who set up the exhibition in a makeshift museum of horrors on the banks of the Tigris River, in the Shiite neighbourhood of Kadhimiyah.

Nooses hang from the ceiling, and a wooden coffin-like box containing a mediaeval-looking torture rack on which prisoners were pinned and stretched takes centre stage.

Pictures of hangings and bodies are plastered all over the walls.

"These are the horrors of the Saddam regime," said Badawi, a stout man in his 50s who spent five years in the jails of Saddam's feared "mukhabarat" secret service because of his alleged support for the Shiite Dawa party.

He was arrested along with 13 members of his family -- and seven of his brothers were killed by Saddam's goons.

Over the past five years Badawi's committee has helped to locate 106 mass graves and the remains of 1,050 men, women and children killed by members of the ousted regime.

The display was set up to mark the 17th anniversary of the start of a Shiite uprising in southern Iraq on March 1, 1991, a day after Saddam's regime agreed to a truce with US-led coalition forces after its defeat in the first Gulf war.

His regime brutally suppressed the uprising, killing thousands of people.

The names of dozens of those victims are inscribed on black banners hung in the museum, next to a portrait of Shiite leader Mohammed Sadek al-Sadr who was killed in 1999.

The assassination of the Iraqi Shiite dignitary sparked major riots in Najaf, one of Iraq's holiest cities for Shiite Muslims.

In the middle of the room a single doll wrapped in a white shroud represents children killed during the iron-fisted rule of Saddam. It is surrounded with toys and cheap plastic flowers.

Mothers and widows who have visited the museum have broken down in tears at the sight of this display, Badawi said.

Also on show are cases containing the personal effects of some of Saddam's victims, whose remains or mutilated bodies have been found over the past five years in dozens of mass graves across Iraq.

The artefacts include combs, identity cards, a rosary, a sock caked in soil, a fragment of a pair of spectacles and bloodstained clothes. Arrest warrants signed by Saddam himself are also on view.

Among the most horrific objects retrieved by Badawi and his team from the notorious torture rooms of the mukhabarat, and now included in the museum, is a wooden table covered in a worn strip of leather and with a domestic iron placed at one end.

"This is an electrocution table," Badawi said.

"The naked prisoner was bound to the table with a steel bar strapped to his shoulder" to ensure maximum immobility as his torturers electrocuted him or used the iron to inflict burns, Badawi said.

Electric shocks were delivered via electrodes attached to a plastic syringe, the needle of which "was inserted into the urethra of the victim's sexual organ," Badawi added. "The pain was atrocious."

Videos of torture sessions are also screened in a basement room. Terrified prisoners can be seen being beaten, having their arms and legs broken and being thrown from rooftops or blown up with explosives.

AFP: Saddam-era torture tools in mobile museum of horror

Everyone stood in line in those days didn't they, there was none of this running around blowing yourself up or fighting the western allies. Everyone just kept their bombs to themselves, now that they have ben liberated they are free to do what the fuck they want, and that is obviously better. America knows how to deal with things.

Below is an excerpt from the comments published on the web site hosting Geert Wilders fascist documentary:

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SO MUCH FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

Two reviews just published on the host web site for FITNA, one of which i think is by the admin of the site.

PoliGazette » Two Reviews of “Fitna”

Im getting sick and tired of everybody. I dont see why its so difficult to accept someone for their beliefs/disbeliefs and go on with life. I swear the human race is fucking stupid

BBC NEWS | Europe | UN chief condemns anti-Islam film

Fucking hell this man Wilders is rapidly becoming less popular that Hitler, or even George W Bush!!!!

Churchill wrote the words below in the 19th century, and they're still true today.

[align=center]Winston Churchill On Islam [/align]

A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War", in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.


Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.