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Originally Posted by Ozarks
Saddam was responsible for the invasion but we supplied him with weapons. That makes us atleast a little bit responsible in the scheme of things.
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Originally Posted by Ozarks
Saddam was responsible for the invasion but we supplied him with weapons. That makes us atleast a little bit responsible in the scheme of things.
Like I already posted:Quote:
Originally Posted by BathingApes
Thats not the way the world works, especially when it come to relations between Governments.
You support anyone that can help you in YOUR BEST INTERESTS (the enemy of my enemy is my friend) and oppose your enemies when ever you can.
Alliances change based on whats in your countries best interest.
We gave him weapons to fight Iran in the 80's, in 91 he attacked Kuwait with weapons he bought from Russia look at the old news tapes those are Russian tanks, trucks, AK47's etc. We didn't "supply" him with the weapons he used in Kuwait.
The aid we gave had long sense been used up, blown up or worn out on the Iranians.
We installed the Shah with a full out military coup because of our oil interests. The shah was overthrown just before the fighting you highlighted started, and the animosity had been growing for decades, ESPECIALLY since 1953.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozarks
So right, on one side we are giving weapons to Iraq to fight, but on the other side our actions of overthrowing a democratically voted government in 1953 and instally the shah led to such shit happening, so in turn, we brought Iran into the limelight and gave Iraq "weapons" (you know what I mean) to fight them. Sounds to me like we are THOROUGHLY in the picture.
A common myth:Quote:
Originally Posted by BathingApes
Military armaments/technology
Iraq's army was primarily equipped with weaponry it had purchased from the Soviet Union and its satellites in the preceding decade. During the war, it purchased billions of dollars worth of advanced equipment from the Soviet Union, France,[32] as well as from the People's Republic of China, Brazil, Egypt, Germany, and other sources (including Europe and facilities for making and/or enhancing chemical weapons). Germany,[33] and other Western countries (among them United Kingdom, France, Spain (Explosivos Alaveses), Canada, Italy and the United States) provided Iraq with biological and chemical weapons technology and the precursors to nuclear capabilities (see below).
The sources of Iraqi arms purchases between 1970 and 1990 (10% of the world market during this period) are estimated to be:
Suppliers ......................in Billions (1985 $US).... % of total
Soviet Union .......................................19.2...... 61
France ................................................5. 5...... 18
People's Republic of China .........................1.7..... 5
Brazil .................................................. ...1.1 .....4
Egypt .................................................. ..1.1..... 4
Other countries ........................................2.9.... 6
Total .................................................. ..31.5... 98.0
The U.S. sold Iraq $200 million in helicopters, which were used by the Iraqi military in the war. These were the only direct U.S.-Iraqi military sales and were valued to be about 0.6% of Iraq's conventional weapons imports during the war.[34]
Chemical weapons
According to Iraq's report to the UN, the know-how and material for developing chemical weapons were obtained from the United States, West Germany, the United Kingdom, France and the People's Republic of China.[39]
In December 2002, Iraq's 1,200 page Weapons Declaration revealed a list of Eastern and Western corporations and countries, as well as individuals, that exported a total of 17,602 tons of chemical precursors to Iraq in the past two decades. By far, the largest suppliers of precursors for chemical weapons production were in Singapore (4,515 tons), the Netherlands (4,261 tons), Egypt (2,400 tons), India (2,343 tons), and Federal Republic of Germany (1,027 tons). One Indian company, Exomet Plastics (now part of EPC Industrie) sent 2,292 tons of precursor chemicals to Iraq. The Kim Al-Khaleej firm, located in Singapore and affiliated to United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq.[40]
Iran-Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We were involved but there were MANY, MANY others that did much more.........
Have a good one!:s4:
this will go on forever. i do admire that you all hold your opinion and thats great. Im done with this thread we arent going to change each other minds and its just turning into a circular argument where one side goes gotcha, then the other side goes nope got you bitch...great lively debate! So i leave you with my last question that everyone repeatedly glossed over. Is Iraq worth bankrupting the nation over? im not going to respond and im sure you will somehow come to the conclusion that we arent bankrupting the nation but whatever. I just can't see how the economic collapse of America could be worth a democracy in Iraq.
To certain people it is worth it...Quote:
Originally Posted by LaidZeppelin
We were talking about Saddam in Iraq, put down the clicker and quite changing the channel:DQuote:
Originally Posted by BathingApes
How about you answer the question and stop making ridiculous analogies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozarks
Man, what assholes invading other countries. Terrorists!!! Man, the US should step down, buuut, there economy depends on it.
cool another discussion on the war
let me first say i have been against this war from the start.
but... i also realize that since we are in this war we CANNOT just up and pull out. that would be the worst thing we could possibly do. if people think it is a crazy situation now just think what the world will be like if iraq is unable to defend itsself against iran and what the ramifications of iran taking control of iraq then the rest of the middle east will be. once iran controls the middle east they will control the oil. without oil our military will be useless. tanks dont run on air. wich will open us up for foreign invasion. simply put our military is mechanized. and this is just one scenerio. next think about $20 - $30 a gallon gas what is that goin to do to our economy? the iranian army is no joke. they are hard fighting soldiers. so this is within the scope of possibility. i am not in favor of a war with iran, i do not agree with many of the policys of the US, but i do relize that when we crippled iraq we dug a very deep hole that we just cannot abandon. we have to help rebuild a goverment that is cabable of defending itself. the iraqis, no matter what the feelings toward us were ,was a buffer.
one more thing we supplied a few weopons in the early 80's to the iraqis but these were outa date and goneby the early 90's. they used the ak-47,supplied by china and ussr(also undoubtably the best assault rifle EVER desined) t-72 tanks, russian design, scud missles , russian design. also does anyone remember the iran-contra affair. the kuwaitis, who we liberated from iraq, asked russia for protection in the gulf when they discovered that we supplied weopons to their enemy the iranians.who by the way still use the f-14 .
point is the middle east is a sticky situation that we just cannot abandon at this poin in time
sorry if this s kinda meandering as to i tired and still have to go to work