day one

How much longer? I do have to keep in mind an average of 50% loss to males. Friday will be the start of week for 4 these babies and the are growing like crazy right now.

Day 26.

Went to go check my babies today thinking it was just going to be a 5 minute visit. WRONG! They grew so damn much I had to do another 45 minute round of LST and pruning

I do think they will be ready to flower this weekend.

Any opinions?

sir, you have tons of height to work with from what it looks like in your pics. You can veg them for a lot longer. What is their height? Are those 5 gallon pails?how far above the top of the plant is the light?Temps?

To start with they are in 2.5 gallon buckets in a 4'x4' room, the canopy is currently 6".

Growing space left is 36" to 40" hight wise, temps are running at 70 to 75 degrees at 36" up in box, light is currently at 23" above the canopy for radiated heat reasons and even light distibution over canopy.

After writing this I am starting to see your point. I have a hell of a lot of room!
I am just worried because everything I read says 4 week veg. cycles.

You are 4 weeks from germination......not 4 weeks veg.
You could easily go for another 4 weeks of veg from what it looks like to me.

Hold your hand under the light. how close can you get before it is too hot when held there? If possible move your light almost that close to the plant to ensure tight internodes.

Wait five days and see where growth is before tying or bending again. Get an idea of the best direction to tie.

To give you an idea, I have had a plant (Mother) in veg for nearly 4 months and still continue to train the plants growth. It is only 16" tall but 12" round.

Keep the lights on a consistent cycle, water regularily and keep the temps manageable and you can veg as long as you want.

Hope that helps. BTW, you could take a clipping off each in 2 weeks and sex the plants that way rather than going 12/12 and reverting back which could take 2-3 weeks to get back to veg.

Anyway, have fun.

Blink,

So where I am going wrong is thinking that the veg cycle starts at germination, when actually it starts 1 to 2 weeks after germination or when first 5 finger leaves are grown. Correct?

Then I am also performing LST to often, you say let them grow 3 to 4 days between LST.

You are also saying to let them veg untill it is truely a Sea Of Green horizontaly, meaning I have no more horizontal space to grow in, then switch to flowering cycle and then just let them go vertically no LST. Oh yah, after I have determined the sex of each plant.

Looks like I have about 2 weeks of veg to go. One minor problem I have is I cannot afford to get the supplies needed to start cloning untill the end of next week. So can you still sex by taking a cutting and placing in water and say a very minimal dose of 12/30/12 nutes, then put them under a CFL set at 12/12. Reason is I want to get the males out ASAP.

One more question about prunning. I have been prunning any leaf that is preventing light from getting to the nodes below. This seems to be working very well due to, the very next day that node has grown and filled the space that the leaf was in. I do not remove any leaf that is not blocking anything except only if it is pushed down into the soil after LST. Is this the correct way? or is there a better way?

You are great help Blink TYVM

you are doing fine i'd say.
rather than pruning the leaves the can be bent and tied as well. move them out of the way. the leaves are important for photosynthesis to occur.

Wait the week before cloning. make sure you have more than 5 internodes. If they are alternating then it has reached maturity and will show sign of sex.

clones @18/6 or 24 they need to stay in veg state.

Great Info thanks,

As for prunning I am only removing the fan leafs that are over the center and have nowhere to go, It does not seem to be stressing them, like I said when I remove them, the next day the node has started to become a shoot producing 2 leaves in is place, I do not remove the leaves on the edges, most of the buckets are becomming full except for 3 that started out as being runts in the first place they are half full,

I did move the light down about 8" with the fan running and the light felt fine on the back of my hand.

Oh by the way I did get a 175W MH light from someone that did not need it anymore. I am going to put that to good use for my clone/mother box, but in the meantime it is going in the main grow room today.

Looked good all growing well.

I did get a 175 watt MH from a friend yesterday and I installed it today
MORE LUMENS!!! Another 15,000 added for a total of 81,000 lumens of MH lighting. So far temps are good at 72 F.

Now I need some oppinons here.
I am thinking of leaving the 175 MH in the box during flowering for the blue light. and still build a clone box using T5's.

Or should I build the cloan box around the 175.

So what you think?