U guys seem to forget that we were all up in their business long before clinton in the 90's. They resent us cause we have troops in every country we have business interests. What kind of imperialistic country stations troops in over 60 countries!
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U guys seem to forget that we were all up in their business long before clinton in the 90's. They resent us cause we have troops in every country we have business interests. What kind of imperialistic country stations troops in over 60 countries!
as a desert storm vet, a-co 4-66 armour 3rd inf., i was fairly upset that our then pres. bush didnot let us finish the job. but in hind sight i realize that ifwe had went to baghdad and captured or killed saddam it would have started the civil war there 10 years earlier.
i do not support this war. but we are so far into this, just up and leaving canot be done. we cannot leave total chaos in the middle east. we must finish the job. america is not at war ,the army , navy , and marines are at war ,america is at wal-mart buying cheap made chinese crap. the only way i can see fiding an end to this is to establish a draft. when those with all the money have their children sent off to some far off country to come home dead or maimed, thats when we will start to see some change.
as far as terrorist in the US the only terrorist i see is the media. the majority of people here dont even know what it is like to live in a place were there is true terrorism. we are no safer now than before 9-11. just more hassled. im not worried about the muslims on planes,im worried about nukes in the ports. we want to scutinize americans but you dont even have to have a id card to enter a port .
a terrorist is a person or GROUP who spreads fear thru acts of violance or PROPAGANDA to achieve either a personal or POLITICAL goal.
now ask yourself who are the terrorists?
The war is a huge joke and we should pull out, but I believe firmly that anyone who supported it should go fight in it if it is so important to them. Don't send someone else to do your dirty work. Since I don't support the war, it is not my problem.
"the only way i can see fiding an end to this is to establish a draft. when those with all the money have their children sent off to some far off country to come home dead or maimed, thats when we will start to see some change."
The concept of a draft is supposed to be the way you envision it, but history says different. In the Civil War a person could pay $300 ( a lot of $$$ in the 1860s) to be excused of his military obligation. In Vietnam you could get a college deferment (sometimes 5 like Dick Cheney) or join the national guard or reserves or have political pull (like W on both counts) to get out of dodging bullits. The guard & reserve didn't deploy to 'Nam. So who fights? The poor & lower middle class just like almost every war in US history. Thank you for your service in desert storm glad you made it back.:D
I think they should make it mandatory military service for every male when they turn 18, no matter what social, or economic class you are from.
It'll make people think twice about going to war, knowing their son definitely will be in the military.
I believe we should send all politicians who support war and include thier kids too.
The supporters should be next in line.
I disagree with mandatory service for males only. if it's going to be mandatory, it should apply to all people, regardless of sex.Quote:
Originally Posted by thcbongman
The first step in a draft...is the pre-induction physical...you would flood the health care system...with bad backs and flat feet...:S2:...too many 4F people in this world...:stoned:
Nope...thats been tried.....99.99% of the time, it didn't workQuote:
Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp
They will have to draft all 4 sexes to avoid all of the equality lawsuites from the ACLU, and gay rights organizations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie