Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
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Originally Posted by Fallen_Icarus
There have been hundreds if not thousands of historians who can verify the accounts of the historical events you talk of, please go and find me one person that can verify the events in the Bible e.g. The crucifixion, the Romans were meticulous in their historical records, yet there is not a shred of evidence to show that the crucifixion even took place.
And i doubt it ever did.
Would you rather believe Hitler was a figment of the worlds imagination and that Auschwitz never existed?
I thought not, lets not get this muddled up - there is a clear distinction between what can be proven as actual factual history and that of which is built from myth and ledged, for example, we know that the Aztecs and the Mayas existed, we know this from evidence i.e. Deep underground excavations and physical evidence of civilisation - however, there is little evidence to support the existence of Quetzalquatle (the ancient serpent God whom the indigenous people of that region of the world believed in).
So saying believing in the healer of the blind and the man whom walked on water would be as sensible (historicaly speaking) as saying I whom believe in modern history also believe in the great tinman of the african jungle.
If I remember correctly, Roman documents to attest to the crucifixion of J.C. It has been theorized however, that Jesus never actually died on the cross. In the bible it says Mary Magdalen (I believe) walked over to Jesus and placed a cloth to his head. Something to that extent. Some believe the rag may have been soaked in a substance in order to make Jesus lose consciousness and appear dead. Later, when he was taken off the cross, they brought him to the tomb and placed the Shroud of Turin (lathered in healing agents) over his unconscious body. He than regained consciousness (hence the resurection) and lived a life in hiding.
This is only a theory I saw on the history channel as best as I can remember it. It is safe to say, Jesus was crucified on the cross, the Romans thought they crucified Jesus on the cross but it was an impostor, or Jesus survived the crucifixion.
As for everything else, I agree. :)
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
Fallen- there are so many of the events in the Bible verified by the romans that it makes the entire rest of your argument based on misinformation and therefore just your opinion. Including the crucifixion which is actually supported in multiple secular historical documents, and as to other events not only are they document in other places as well, but physical evidence has been found by arceologist. There are many things in the Bible that can not be seen in other document and whether that is because they didn't happen or because it was important to people outside the christian religion or simply because they were being persecuted at the time is up to you and your faith or lack there of.
But as for making completely false statements, do research before wasting space or don't be so adamit about things you do not know and try to make it sound better by calling false statements facts. I mean to actually say that there is no evidence of the crucifixion is ridiculous it is recorded by the very people you say didn't record it and that IS a verifiable fact. I mean if you are going to choose something to argue didn't happen next time don't use such a well supported fact of history and the Bible. So do your research next time I can enjoy disputing things with jaggededge to an extent because he at least makes sense and supports his statements with facts. But trust me you can truly believe and accept as fact that the crucifixion did happen and that it is recorded in many places including the romans you so ridiculously said didn't
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
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there are so many of the events in the Bible verified by the romans that it makes the entire rest of your argument based on misinformation and therefore just your opinion
Can you source this? Otherwise I believe this is of your opinion.
I dont believe there is any probable evidence of the existence of Jesus Christ.
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but physical evidence has been found by arceologist
And what evidence is this? A frozen boat in the arctic you believe belongs to Noah lol.
And please name some archeologists you are referring to :D
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I mean to actually say that there is no evidence of the crucifixion is ridiculous
Is there evidence of the crucifixion? Please prodive it, do not assume there is.
And i want you to make me BELIEVE that the crucifixion happend with this evidence.
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it is recorded by the very people you say didn't record it and that IS a verifiable fact.
Any chance of showing me any of this, you seem to have the ability to prove the existence of jesus, im suere there are a few others that would like to see this :cool:
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at least makes sense and supports his statements with facts
Yes and you are certainly following that law lol
And then you say....
After all of this...
LOL
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you can truly believe and accept as fact that the crucifixion did happen
OKAY THEN... ALL HAIL JESUS CHRIST...
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
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If I remember correctly, Roman documents to attest to the crucifixion of J.C. It has been theorized however, that Jesus never actually died on the cross.
This is only a theory I saw on the history channel as best as I can remember it.
Yeh.. the african Tinman is also a theory.
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Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
Fallen, there is evidence of a man named Jesus existing, the same Jesus that is written about in the bible. As for his divinity, there is no proof, but to deny he ever existed...? Simply wrong.
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
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Is there evidence of the crucifixion? Please prodive it, do not assume there is.
And i want you to make me BELIEVE that the crucifixion happend with this evidence.
If you really are interested there is plenty of sources out there im not going to sit here and have a discussion with someone who wants no part in an intellectual conversation which for one does not ever include the term lol. But if you are dead set that nothing in the Bible ever happend and that it isn't documented anywhere then as an american it is your right to be ignorant.
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
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Originally Posted by JaggedEdge
Fallen, there is evidence of a man named Jesus existing, the same Jesus that is written about in the bible. As for his divinity, there is no proof, but to deny he ever existed...? Simply wrong.
Jagged,:thumbsup: Ignorant people is all. I have no problem accepting listening and discussing as we have jagged but will no longer waste my time with fallens ignorance. I accept that not everyone should or does believe in his divinity but they can't just out right deny his existance I would never fault anyone for not being a believe but this outright ignorance is unbelievable.:jointsmile:
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
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Originally Posted by sd6515
If you really are interested there is plenty of sources out there im not going to sit here and have a discussion with someone who wants no part in an intellectual conversation which for one does not ever include the term lol. But if you are dead set that nothing in the Bible ever happend and that it isn't documented anywhere then as an american it is your right to be ignorant.
Unless I'm mistaken, no one's saying that nothing from the bible ever happened. Some of it is probably true, the question is whether all of it happened.
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
Haha, we agree on something. :)
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Originally Posted by sd6515
Jagged,:thumbsup: Ignorant people is all. I have no problem accepting listening and discussing as we have jagged but will no longer waste my time with fallens ignorance. I accept that not everyone should or does believe in his divinity but they can't just out right deny his existance I would never fault anyone for not being a believe but this outright ignorance is unbelievable.:jointsmile:
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
"Unless I'm mistaken, no one's saying that nothing from the bible ever happened. Some of it is probably true, the question is whether all of it happened."
well if that were the case then we would really have nothing to discuss b/c I don't believe that all of it happened nessicarily happend either. But I do believe that that fallen did imply that when he wrote
"please go and find me one person that can verify the events in the Bible"
I knew we would eventualy we probobaly would on everything but here because I do like your points and the way you state them just not the exact point.:smokin:
"Haha, we agree on something."
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