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Psycnological paranoia does not equate to increased motor skills or heightened awareness. Paranoia is a delusional state in which your mind is tricked into perceiving threat that is not there. You don't become Spider-man with a Spider-sense. You are closer to The Joker.
If ignorance is bliss, you must be euphoric. You can believe what you want... but please do me a favor... stay off the roads in south Mississippi when your stoned...there are enough ignorant assholes on the road here already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannab!s
FWIW, I know what weed does to me, and I don't want to be on the road with *me* when I am stoned, which is why when I toke, I only do it in the privacy of my own home *PERIOD*.
The only paranoia I have when I am driving is that I will run across some idiot that is driving either stoned or drunk or both.....that scares the hell out of me.
*shrug* I'm new to the board. Someone with such authority as yourself finds it easy to target and discredit me. Sure you aren't a politician or a cop? That is their common tactic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannab!s
If my comments bothered you that much, you clearly have too much time on your hands.
Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics. Use some critical thinking and observational skills and it'll pay off. If you're wrecked, you can't drive that well. Even if you think you can. And who is this "we" you keep talking about, you and your imaginary friends? Because I'll bet you don't have too many real ones.Quote:
We understand who we're hearing from at this point. We also understand you decided to either start talking before reading the thread: which means you'll say things you don't check up on - or that even in the face of authoritive studies on 3 continents you think you know it all, and can't be bothered with the truth about pot. In either case i think we understand.
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Oh- and the fact that nearly every gram of pot you ever smoked was gotten to you by someone who risked driving with it on them; no gratitude for that, i guess.
and how do you know how I've gotten my pot? or when I've gotten it? Or who I am grateful to or not? Perhaps public transport gets me around to the pick up point? Or a taxi? or maybe I have in the past known growers and have WALKED to their locales? Or perhaps most of it was actually purchased when I lived abroad in Europe. In some places where the laws aren't so strict.
So where is your statistical evidence that A) the folks were unjustly busted and B) they weren't busted in their cars?Quote:
every year millions of people around the world are unjustly busted: the large majority of whom are NOT in a car: which means we'll have to keep waiting to see if even ONE WORD of truth ever comes out of your mouth on this subject.
So far: it's not looking good for your credentials concerning marijuana.
And you truly think I care about your analysis of my credentials? Much less even trying to make sense out of your babble in that previous paragraph? Unless you're extremely immature I'll put money on it I was toking while the only thing in your mouth was your mom's nipple.
Well FYI that incident I described was 20 years ago. And you're assuming I'll take risks I recommend against here? Do you think I'd be dumb enough to hook up then drive away after smoking? Or even let the trail lead away from my pick up point? You must be an amateur at this game.
You make a lot of ASSumptions. Especially for someone who can only cite statistics and research. You obviously know nothing about real life. You clearly also have issues with your ego or penis size or something. Or perhaps are one of those few who have smoked so much dope its made you into a dumb-ass. I'd suggest you do something about that before your own self-assuredness leads to over-confidence.
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Until you're able to accurately differentiate between the enhanced cautionary response of smoking pot and actual paranoia: AND come up with some authoritive literature to justify your ''Marijuana is like PCP and alcohol" you are the one who sounds like some Joker.
Pot makes you more cautious instead of inciting a psychoactively induced paranoia? Yeah, and pipe tobacco won't give you cancer. Certain hybrid Indica-Sativa strains (such as various Hazes) *don't* induce PCP-like responses? And I've got a piece of Britney's hair here to sell you.
Stick to ditch-weed, kid. You're a fool.
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Easy on the name-calling and insults, there, please, Ravenala. I'm completely sympathetic with your desire to issue them. But if we're ever going to get anywhere as cannabis advocates, it's important to try not to lower yourself to that level, no matter how effectively someone incites in you the desire to do otherwise.
Cannab!s, I get the feeling you somehow think you're doing a great public service here. But youâ??re like a broken record. A really long-playing one. And somehow you still haven't done anything but post and link your own version of propaganda rather than considering actual real life, first hand-experience or observations from others. It seems to be a whole lot easier to keep shouting angrily about zero tolerance and federal law enforcement than to actually read and consider what others might be saying.
You call yourself a pro-cannabis activist, Cannab!s. But I frankly think youâ??ve done far more here to harm that cause than to advance it. Youâ??re like a religious proselytizer who wants to win devotees to Christianity and ends up alienating far more souls than you win over because you become maniacal in your delivery. If your participation in this thread continues, I request that you work harder at brevity than you do at copied, pasted, angst-ridden verbosity sprinkled with capital letters and emphatic underlining. While you're at it, look up the Italiano for "understand?" It's "capisce," not â??kapish.â?
Your response here needs to be â??Capisco.â?
1. If you get pulled over, you DO NOT have to answer ANY questions.
At a minimum, do what you need to do to identify yourself and prove that you didn't steal the car and you have FULFILLED everything that is "expected" of you, provided you do not commit any crimes when the cops have stopped you.
*** A SOMEWHAT IDEALIZED EXAMPLE ***
Them: "Have you been drinking tonight?"
You: "I will not answer any questions."
Them: "Can we search your car?"
You: "No."
Them: "Why not?"
You: "I do not consent to searches. You need a WARRANT to conduct a search."
Them: "Well, we need to search your vehicle."
You: "Hold on, I need to call my attorney. Please give me your name, badge number, and supervisor's name, badge number and an immediate way to contact your supervisor."
***
Who has the power, YOU or THEM? When I got pulled over last, I had one headlight out at night, and it was a Friday. You don't always get pulled over around here for a bad headlight, but Cops have ticket quotas, which are higher on weekends. When I mentioned that I wanted to call my attorney, the cop said "Why are you being like that?" With an almost hurt or annoyed tone of voice. He even said "You don't need an attorney, I know your rights." That is WRONG. Their job is to get you to COMPLY, NOT protect your rights. I ended up signing a ticket form. I probably could have avoided that as well, with this simple statement: "I will not sign anything or answer any questions until I speak to my attorney."
2. Your driving performance depends on YOUR OWN LEVEL of CONCENTRATION. Measuring reaction time is pointless without factoring in decision time. If you are concentrating on going at the speed limit, if something happens, the odds are you will have more time to make a decision, and thus more time to react, this ability is not hampered by herbal intake. Pure logic.
Spread the knowledge...
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Originally Posted by birdgirl73
Hey Birdgirl thanks for the heads up and *polite* request to tone it down. Because I'm actually a pretty reasonable guy. ;)
Your commentary hit the nail on the head. I see any advocate of driving while stoned DETRIMENTAL to the cause of legalization.
That is just more stuff to show on Cops for 'the masses' who will point to what an evil marijuana is, and how if we legalize it - there will be all these stoners causing accidents in addition to drunken driving. And every time someone screws up, gets caught, and goes down for possession that is one less socially validated voice saying, "pot smokers can be responsible folks too".
We all know it has to be transported. And despite what people may think I *have* transported small amounts - even through USA customs in the distant past. But I see a lot of people here just pushing foolish and arrogant behavior which will damage the validity of all advocates.
My run-in with both customs officials and DEA agents over something far less serious reassured me that the best thing to do is not risk it any more than you have to. And being high while transporting is like shooting up a flare.
Thanks and thanks for the understanding. :)
Your comments on how to handle yourself in front of an officer are valid. You don't have to prove anything to them and sure don't have to incriminate yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1vez
However the last paragraph is flawed logic. Your assumption is that it is 'logical' that herbs do not affect concentration or coordination. WTF is that about?
Just because it is an herb doesn't mean it can't or won't %$@ you up! You ever smoke Blueberry Haze or Isolator Black Hash? Please don't tell me that this stuff does not cause a highly altered state of perception and an inability to concentrate. That only shows you've never been exposed to it.
I've been around *a lot* of smokers and *a lot* of dope. It may hamper your concentration depending on who you are, and what kind of herb. Not to mention other factors such as what you've eaten, not eaten, how tired you are, etc... Not to mention how much you smoke. And just like drinkers, most smokers think they are "OK" long after they are repeating themselves 4 and 5 times, losing thought mid sentence, and unable to get up and move around.
I'm not talking about one puff on a joint. I'm talking about driving while high or stoned.
I am on a pipe and cigar board as well. There are folks there who will INSIST that because you are not inhaling, you won't get cancer. And have 'studies' to prove it. That is just ignorance of both medicinal history and statistics.
Just run a web search on "Marijuana concentration motor skills coordination". don't even use the word impair or damage. The VAST number of medically valid results indicate that it does affect these facilities.
this site is very unbiased, politically speaking:
Howstuffworks "How Marijuana Works"
as is:
Marijuana
Don't only believe propoganda that suits your tastes. Just get stoned with friends and throw a ball to the person sitting next to you if you want proof of impairment.
I think the reaction time depends on the person. I smoke while driving regularily and have never run into any issues and I'm always alert. My friends (who dont even smoke) always tell me that my reaction time is always faster than normal and I drive perfectally ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
Always conceal your stash. Lol, that guy is funny.
Mississippi Steve is probably a little more paranoid than us and he has his reasons im sure, but he really is trying to save all you constant car smokers a trip to jail, dont blame him.
Its best not to drive while high, but there are times when there must be marijuana in the car if you want to smoke it later.
During these times you want to keep it on your person and eat it if necessary. Eating a quarter is not hard if especially if youre motivation is not going to the slammer. I would never keep it in the trunk or in the gas tank opening, they are not airtight and dogs can smell it extremely easily.
Keep it as low and to the center of the vehicle as possible, preferable in multiple plastic bags and perhaps submerged in a bottle of Thai Fish sauce to thwart dog noses, or something similar.
Its dumb to have pot in the car(more than you can eat anyways)more often than you have to.
Be safe. Dont blaze up and drive, not only can they arrest you on suspicion of DUI or DWI, its also a waste of a high since you cannot totally relax on the road.
ya when i drive high im even more cautious then sober i think i drive better high i follow more laws and dont have a lead foot ide rather smoke at home tho but sometimes i like to go cruise and blaze it up