Troop Reduction Is Possible, Bush Says

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

:detective1:Finally! P4B found a connection to 911 & Saddam-Iraq...by the ways of Russian intelligence &/or Putin....there it is folks, the last grasp of the captain going down with his ship......:glugglug::glugglug::detective1:

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I guess it could be said I found the "connection" on the net.:D

Russian President Vladimir Putin says that after the 9/11 attacks Moscow warned Washington that Saddam Hussein was planning attacks on the US.
BBC NEWS | Americas | Putin says Iraq planned US attack

Hell, even Great Spirit believed in the word of the B.B.C.

Have a good one!:s4:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Preservation of the security of the Nation from its enemies, foreign and domestic, is the obligation of government and one of the foremost reasons for government to exist.
FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: First Amendment: Annotations pg. 13 of 21

And with that our President IS the Commander in Chief of all military forces. I think that between the two the "wishes" of our forefathers is being met.



Try a society/philosophy like Iran that holds the end of the world as the next coming of Allah.



Have a good one!:s4:

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I guess it depends on who you think our enemy actually is. I just don't get it I suppose. I don't understand how we have been duped into a war, but yet we remain loyal just because he is our president! I mean come on, first we are told we are attacked by terrorist who are from Saudi, but yet we go to Iraq? Next we have the good o'l patriot act (does'nt the name just sound great?) which pretty much trampled on our rights. Now we can't walk out of the house without hearing something about terrorism. Hmmm sounds like some really good propaganda to me And you ask me who the enemy is? I do think we have an enemy, but I don't think it's in a desert somewhere. I believe the enemy is right here in the good USA!



I am just curious about where you get this information on Irans society/philosophy? Is it because they are Muslim? Or did you spend to much time watching fox tonight! Sorry had to throw that in there! =)
BTW love the Name :rastasmoke:

I remember this, vaguely, but if I remember correctly this Russian intelligence was just part of the whole Iraq-AlQaeda link touted by Moscow and the CIA, which was later proven to be false. It was these same intelligence agencies that insisted the weapons were in Iraq, and the CIA even went so far as to create a report of mobile chemical weapons facilities; of which we later found out they invented on suspicion alone and never actually checked. The pressure was on to give them some solid intelligence, and having none they fabricated a suspicion into fact and crossed their fingers it would turn out to be true. This whole Iraq mess is a sad state of affairs.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

I remember this, vaguely, but if I remember correctly this Russian intelligence was just part of the whole Iraq-AlQaeda link touted by Moscow and the CIA, which was later proven to be false. It was these same intelligence agencies that insisted the weapons were in Iraq, and the CIA even went so far as to create a report of mobile chemical weapons facilities; of which we later found out they invented on suspicion alone and never actually checked. The pressure was on to give them some solid intelligence, and having none they fabricated a suspicion into fact and crossed their fingers it would turn out to be true. This whole Iraq mess is a sad state of affairs.

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Ahh yes I remember now thanks Gandalf!!!

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

I remember this, vaguely, but if I remember correctly this Russian intelligence was just part of the whole Iraq-AlQaeda link touted by Moscow and the CIA, which was later proven to be false. It was these same intelligence agencies that insisted the weapons were in Iraq, and the CIA even went so far as to create a report of mobile chemical weapons facilities; of which we later found out they invented on suspicion alone and never actually checked. The pressure was on to give them some solid intelligence, and having none they fabricated a suspicion into fact and crossed their fingers it would turn out to be true. This whole Iraq mess is a sad state of affairs.

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That's a different issue, NOT the Putin story:
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Russia denies Iraq secrets claim

Have a good one!:s4:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

That's a different issue, NOT the Putin story:
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Russia denies Iraq secrets claim

Have a good one!:s4:

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Awsome, thanks for the link P4B! Do you have a whole archive of historical articles or something? If so that's awsome, I only wish I had such info at my fingertips (I go off memory most of the time, I have a pretty strong memory overal).

But hey this still helps my point that Russian intelligence certainly isn't more credible than American, especially when they've been proven to be feeding the US false information (not surprised). I don't blame America for going off an intelligence report that coincided with what their own boys were saying, I just think that's also a reason why I wouldn't believe Saddam was planning another 9/11 based on what Russian's say. In fact I believe that Russia has some very unscrupulous plans in the works to use the middle east to their benefit and remove America as a world power. Manipulating the US into a war with Iraq has been extremely beneficial to these plans as it's drained them of hundreds of billions of dollars, made the American public war-weary, tied them up in Iraq while real and dangerous enemy threats are emerging, and pissed off the whole Islamic world which in turn is helping the AlQaeda recuitment efforts. Invading Iraq is the best thing America could have done for terrorists.

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Originally Posted by epxroot

I respect your response and your stance on the subject. I understand the system that we are under, but the free republic which is the system that we were intended to be under has been taken away from us. How can we as americans keep funding this war and not even raise an eye to the fact that we can't say when we leave and when we don't? I just don't understand how we can wake up in the morning and just go on about our day as if we don't even know that 1000's of innocent humans are being killed, and that 1000's of them have no where to sleep. Hey though as long as we have are sports, cars, clothes, gadgets, and titty bars who cares.

I am not arguing your point I am just stating that somthing is really wrong with our current system. If 51% rule over the 49% who gets to decide who is in what group?

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You and I are on the same page them Epxroot. While there may be no such legal obligations, you're absolutely right that the system needs a major revamp and people need more say in something like a drawn-out international war.

I've always believed both in Canada and America that our democracies are a bit too representative, and need more of a direct aspect. And infact I'd say America is more democratic in the sense that you guys tend to hold more votes on issues like legalizing weed in Nevada, whereas Canadians are always 100% dependant on the choices of their elected officials. Which is stupid because constitutionally we do have a right to establish ballot initiates, it just never seems to happen.