does the believe in god

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

you still have the word has in there.

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Yeah, because God HAS seen the future. You said the problem word with the question was "already". Now it's "has". If I change the question again, what's the next problem word... seen? Live? God?

let's take an aside before I rephrase the question (or if there is even a need to rephrase it). Do you agree or disagree with the following statement:

God has seen the future

If you agree with this statement, then there's no need to rephrase the question. If you disagree with it, then my point is proven anyway.

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

Yeah, because God HAS seen the future. You said the problem word with the question was "already". Now it's "has". If I change the question again, what's the next problem word... seen? Live? God?

let's take an aside before I rephrase the question (or if there is even a need to rephrase it). Do you agree or disagree with the following statement:

God has seen the future

If you agree with this statement, then there's no need to rephrase the question. If you disagree with it, then my point is proven anyway.

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my friend I have given the correct answers but you have the free will to belive in what you want to belive, so live out what ever you
choses to belive, and good luck by:)

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Originally Posted by snicklefritz1825

Yea you can that is your free will. You make your choices not God, If we didn't have free will then we would be perfect and not living in a life of sin. God knows what you are going to do in the future but that does not mean he made that decision for you.

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iam glad sombody understands logic:)

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

Yeah, because God HAS seen the future. You said the problem word with the question was "already". Now it's "has". If I change the question again, what's the next problem word... seen? Live? God?

let's take an aside before I rephrase the question (or if there is even a need to rephrase it). Do you agree or disagree with the following statement:

God has seen the future

If you agree with this statement, then there's no need to rephrase the question. If you disagree with it, then my point is proven anyway.

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once again past tence

So since it's past tense, it's not a valid question? Are you saying it's not a fair question to ask if God, at any time in the past, has looked into the future? I think it's a completely fair question, and no matter how many times you say you've answered the question, you really haven't. Sorry, you've answered my question once, but completely misinterpreted what the question said and actually rearranged the question.

My question is actually quite simple. Let's go over your interpretation of my question.

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

... so if you were to ask the qustion that way then the answer would be NO, if I ALREADY lived my life I could not change it. That would be a true statement. The promblem is that we have not ALREADY lived are life, we are still living are lifes, ...

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This is not what my question asks, my question does not assume that we have already lived our lives. In fact, it asks "can I live my life..." which actually indicates that it is a question about the present and the future. So I'm not quite sure where you're getting this "already lived our lives" part.

Without the subject matter, the question reads "Can I do ______ (something in the future) if _________ (something from the past.

if we were to change the subject and ask the same type of question, we might have an example such as "Can I (still drive my car) if I've (busted my stering wheel)".

the answer would be
"yes, you can but you're almost guranteed to get into an accident" or
"no, newer cars disable themselves if a critical part of the car is not functioning (hypothetical answer, of course)"

It's not that hard to answer this question ,so I fail to see what's "wrong" with my question.

And Snickle's "logic" has contradicted itself. Therefore, it's not logical. You might want it to be, but it isn't. My previous post states why.

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

what you just said makes no sence, ...

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

...I dont know why this is so hard for you to understand

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I don't see why you've been dodging and then misinterpreting my question.

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

...its a deep subject and people can go round and round about it...

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

like I said before people can go round and round over things like this

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I assure you, the argument doesn't go round and round when you understand the question.

I'd like to add....

Yes, I can be a thorough mother fucker when I have to be :).

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

iam glad sombody understands logic:)

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umm i do get what your saying. i just dont know if i believe in the being.

like i think that god is the personification of the universe and the universe is the sterilisation of god

there is probably a happy medium in the middle.

but i really have to cut out 99 % of the core three religons

mix in some eastern philosphies and religons

add in some metaphysics and nureal kinetics

and im about there.

its dumb i have faith. i just dont know what it is in.

peace and love and baggies full of never ending weed

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

No, you changed the basis of my question from

"Can I live my life any differently than the way God has already seen it happen?"
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"can you live your life differently thenGods will for your life?"

That's a completely different question.

The 'already' refers to what God's has seen of the future (namely, all of it), not if I've already lived my life. He has already seen the future, because if he didn't, He wouldn't be all knowing. And not being all knowing would invalidate His entire existence.

But, if it pleases you, I'll rephrase my question, and drop the 'already'. The basis of the question remains the same, it really makes no difference.

Can I live my life any differently than the way God has seen it happen?

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NO! You can't. He knows every move you will make in the future. Example, if you reply to this post, he knows what you're gonna say regardless of how many times you change your mind before posting.

i think there is freewill but god already knows what your choice is going to be, you get what im saying?:wtf:

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

NO! You can't. He knows every move you will make in the future. Example, if you reply to this post, he knows what you're gonna say regardless of how many times you change your mind before posting.

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now the question becomes "does this negate the concept of free will?" by giving the deity complete foreknowledge you have turned us into puppets enacting a prewritten script with no say as to its outcome. this would seem to make reality itself a rather pointless exercise and its creator a fool for the redundancy of the whole thing.