The Only USA Presidential Candidate In Favor Of Legalization
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BBSNews 2007-07-17 -- MANCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE (GSMM) - Two prominent presidential contenders have moved in opposite directions on the issue of federal attacks on medical marijuana patients, as America's second largest cancer charity, the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society, came out strongly for protection of medical marijuana patients. Democratic frontrunner Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) called for an end to federal raids in states where medical use of marijuana is legal, while Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) backtracked on an earlier promise to end the raids.
During a Manchester campaign on July 13, Len Epstein, a volunteer for Granite Staters for Medical Marijuana (GSMM), told Sen. Clinton, "Twelve states allow medical marijuana, but the Bush administration continues to raid patients," to which she responded, "Yes, I know. It's terrible." Epstein then asked, "Would you stop the federal raids?" Sen. Clinton responded firmly, "Yes, I will."
Does this guarantee she will really do this, I can't say. But, at least she seems to be amenable to MM by the states.
The Only USA Presidential Candidate In Favor Of Legalization
Great news! Now if she would only seek to decriminalize bjs!:D
The Only USA Presidential Candidate In Favor Of Legalization
Well all very good and valid points. I am not gonna get into a debate on who should be president, or naysay any previous president. I love my country. And right or wrong we put them in power. Why? because they all tell us what we want to hear. Everyone bashes bush, He told us what he was going to do before he was elected with the war ect, and we elected him anyway. I am only 36, but as of yet, i havent seen one president get elected and hold to everything he said he would. yep, we can dream and we can vote, but in the end they will do as they have always done, get what they want(elected) and forget the promises that got them elected. I am totally for marijuana reform but to get rid of the dea? hell no. just because i am pro m.j. doesnt mean i am pro meth or pro extacy, or pro cocaine. granted they do a lousy job but they do achieve some measure of keeping some of that crap out of the country. But i am just some guy got my armchair and the internet. I dont know as much as i should about politics, but i do know that even if our new president says disband this program, legalize that, reform reform reform he is only gonna hold to it maybe through half of his term then he starts looking for popularity among congress, the senate, the state reps ect so that he can stay in office. bye bye promises to the american public.
The Only USA Presidential Candidate In Favor Of Legalization
ron paul ftw. He would get rid of the IRS which is good enough for me.
The Only USA Presidential Candidate In Favor Of Legalization
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Originally Posted by marmarkus2006
i havent seen one president get elected and hold to everything he said he would. yep, we can dream and we can vote, but in the end they will do as they have always done, get what they want(elected) and forget the promises that got them elected.
To expect any person to accomplish everything they set out to do is not realistic, presidents or otherwise. And to say that no president has ever done any good or moved forward in any of their promises is also hooey. (Even George Bush promised to cut The Arts and he followed through!) We must be optimistic even unto our graves, otherwise there is no reason to live in the first place--we are just taking up space. 1+1=2 & -1+1=0, so one bit of pessimism really is very much worse than saying nothing at all--it sets things back two steps rather than moving them one step forward.
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I am totally for marijuana reform but to get rid of the dea? hell no. just because i am pro m.j. doesnt mean i am pro meth or pro extacy, or pro cocaine. granted they do a lousy job but they do achieve some measure of keeping some of that crap out of the country.
No. They achieve no measure of success. They punish the user rather than the crime syndicates/governments/corporations that continue to keep the world in turmoil. Re: other drugs. Meth and cocaine, and X have no business being compared to the medicinal prowess of Marijuana. These are all dangerous substances. Besides, the DEA can't stop them either. The DEA is in business to seize real estate, so that they can buy more coke, so that they can seize more real estate, so that they can buy more coke...
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But i am just some guy got my armchair and the internet. I dont know as much as i should about politics...
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i do know that even if our new president says disband this program, legalize that, reform reform reform he is only gonna hold to it maybe through half of his term then he starts looking for popularity among congress, the senate, the state reps ect so that he can stay in office. bye bye promises to the american public.
Not really, no. Once Marijuana is decriminalized, it will be very hard, if not impossible, to turn back the clock, especially once the money machine starts rolling with it.
The Only USA Presidential Candidate In Favor Of Legalization
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Not really, no. Once Marijuana is decriminalized, it will be very hard, if not impossible, to turn back the clock, especially once the money machine starts rolling with it.
Thats what I just cannot understand about the current stubborness of the government. Its already been said last year or so (sorry bad memory :stoned:) that Marijuana is the SINGLE BIGGEST CASH CROP IN THE UNITED STATES. Period. After that article was on yahoo news, I thought prohibition was nearly done with and celebrated with a few bong hits. The article ITSELF even said how the government was trying to figure out how to tax the new cash crop champ. Unfortunately that was the last I've heard about it. Bush and the ultra conservatives probably didnt even read this repot. They probably just brushed it aside and labled it propaganda.
Usually if the government smells money, they're right there with their hands out. This baffles me. At first I expected every state to just throw in the towl fighting medical marijuana and open up a state pot dispensary in a neighborhood near you. Wanna grow your own? Fine heres a growing permit for $100 bucks a year or so with a limit on plants and of course laws to keep intoxicated drivers off the streets.
These are the United States' biggest money makers:
1 Marijuana $35,803,591
2 Corn $23,299,601
3 Soybeans $17,312,200
4 Hay $12,236,638
5 Vegetables $11,080,733
Its coming folks. Hopefully sooner than later, but its coming.
I'm voting Ron Paul for sure.
The Only USA Presidential Candidate In Favor Of Legalization
I think you guys should think outside the world of marijuana. These are the leaders of our country, their every decision decides the fate of our citizens including ourselves. So what if they support marijuana, it's a miniscule issue in the hope of a survivable future.
Yes we love ganja, but don't base your entire vote on who supports legalization or not, please!
Can you still buy marijuana and smoke it to your pleasure? Yes, legalization will come but try not to base your decision on this, now, hopeless measure.
Look at what else they stand for and DON'T stand for, those are the big ones.
The government has invested tens of billions, if not 100's of billions of dollars fighting the "insanity" drug, the evil Marijuana!
Do you think they will let up in just 1 push? No, this legalization thing will take many a decade.
In conclusion, don't be narrow minded, observe candidates real objectives and political bases besides just "do they support legalization?" Or we are doomed.
Dave
The Only USA Presidential Candidate In Favor Of Legalization
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Originally Posted by DemoCommando
I think you guys should think outside the world of marijuana. These are the leaders of our country, their every decision decides the fate of our citizens including ourselves. So what if they support marijuana, it's a miniscule issue in the hope of a survivable future.
Yes we love ganja, but don't base your entire vote on who supports legalization or not, please!
Can you still buy marijuana and smoke it to your pleasure? Yes, legalization will come but try not to base your decision on this, now, hopeless measure.
Look at what else they stand for and DON'T stand for, those are the big ones.
The government has invested tens of billions, if not 100's of billions of dollars fighting the "insanity" drug, the evil Marijuana!
Do you think they will let up in just 1 push? No, this legalization thing will take many a decade.
In conclusion, don't be narrow minded, observe candidates real objectives and political bases besides just "do they support legalization?" Or we are doomed.
Dave
Legalization should be an important issue for us. It is the government policy that most affects us. If we don't stand up for our own rights no one will. Marijuana is not some miniscule issue. The War on Drugs is not a minuscule issue. It is one of the biggest problems facing the country. The DEA spends 60 billion dollars on fighting drugs. I don't even want to guess what the rest of the government spends on the drug war. Ending the Drug War could reinvigorate America. Imagine all the money America could save with the legalization of soft drugs. Imagine all the money America could make. For hard drugs there are better ways to discourage use than the Drug War. Legalization may be the answer it may not. However the current course does not work and must be changed. Also you are wrong on legalization. There are plenty of reasons to believe in could happen in a decade or less.
Another reason why the drug war is important is b/c it shows how honorable a politician is, especially Ron Paul. He is a Republican that opposes The Drug War. There aren't to many of those. They aren't even that many Democrats at the federal level that want to end the Drug War. Most politicians know The Drug War doesn't work. They don't stand against because it is easy not to. Those few politicians that stand against the Drug War should be commended for their courage. They have the character to criticize a policy that benefits the rich and makes reelection a million times easier because you are "tough on crime."
You seem to have a dislike for Ron Paul. I wish you had just begun an educated debate about Ron Paul's views. Instead you choose to chastise us supporters by saying all we cared about was legalization. Then you went even further by saying this is a bad thing. I am sure most posters do not vote purely on legalization. I do not. However I would have no problem with someone who voted for a candidate solely for his or her views on marijuana. Legalization should be the major issue for most these posters. This issue could make their lives a million times easier.
The Only USA Presidential Candidate In Favor Of Legalization
Cancel that, that was jibberish!
this is the right one:
People should not base their entire vote on 1 issue. The Drug War is especially a failure and a drain on society, we both know this.
I do not dislike Ron Paul, nor do I care to delve deeper into his beliefs. The whole point of my post was to hopefully, not grudgingly, encourage voters to invest time into studying the views of their elected or soon to be elected officials.
Perhaps, I am speaking to the wrong crowd. This board is devoted to Marijuana and any neutral or controversial writing of the sort will not be tolerated.
The American people need to keep an open mind. Marijuana users will be users and they will get their "weeds". With the whole on our ass ie China, Iran, Russia, all the big powers and little ones hating our guts for interference in their affairs, I believe that is bigger than marijuana issues. For god sake it's a drug to live life with, not to live life for the drug!
It will be legalized and every mature user should vote according to their ideals, but PLEASE don't throw your vote away on marijuana laws alone.
Right there,
Dave
The Only USA Presidential Candidate In Favor Of Legalization
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Originally Posted by DemoCommando
Cancel that, that was jibberish!
this is the right one:
People should not base their entire vote on 1 issue. The Drug War is especially a failure and a drain on society, we both know this.
I do not dislike Ron Paul, nor do I care to delve deeper into his beliefs. The whole point of my post was to hopefully, not grudgingly, encourage voters to invest time into studying the views of their elected or soon to be elected officials.
Perhaps, I am speaking to the wrong crowd. This board is devoted to Marijuana and any neutral or controversial writing of the sort will not be tolerated.
The American people need to keep an open mind. Marijuana users will be users and they will get their "weeds". With the whole on our ass ie China, Iran, Russia, all the big powers and little ones hating our guts for interference in their affairs, I believe that is bigger than marijuana issues. For god sake it's a drug to live life with, not to live life for the drug!
It will be legalized and every mature user should vote according to their ideals, but PLEASE don't throw your vote away on marijuana laws alone.
Right there,
Dave
The problem with the current government and the drug war itself is that the interference in other nations affairs is now an interference in United States citizens affairs.
I understand that one should not solely base their vote on MJ issues, however, the MJ issue is part of a larger issue which is eroding Constitutional rights in America. The federal government has no Constitutional right to shutdown medicinal MJ operations in states that have voted to allow it. The federal government does not have the authority to enforce Roe v. Wade...it is a state decision. We, as citizens, have the right to habeaus corpus, and that has been taken away.
Ron Paul, personally, does not encourage or even support MJ use, but he does believe in the individual right to choose. He does not believe that the federal government has the right to choose whether an individual smokes up or abstains. A vote for Ron Paul, is a vote for individual freedom of choice.
However, if you choose the wrong road, you are ultimately responsible for you're choice. Don't expect the government to bail you out.
