Christians on board?

lol the bible is a interesting fiction story

if you are using pot to get high then you are committing a sin in the eyes of your god, the bible says ,about any substance that affects the workings of your mind or body is a sin if you use it to the point of becoming intoxicated. You can use it but if you use it as a means to alter your state of mind then you are committing a sin of your body which is supposed to be the temple of your god, therfore it is not keepping with the rules of this christian faith. think about that. i am not believer in god or karma. my faith is with myself and my own abilities. Jesus is and was the only true christian imho anything else is a manipulation of his beliefs to subjugate and control the ignorant masses at the time of its creation. look through hjistory and see there has been more death and destruction in the name of the christian god than any other cause ever thought up. keep the teachings of the bible but discard the rest as fodder for the weak minded and easily controlled.

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Originally Posted by deadfan420

Hahahaha this thread reminds me of that episode of "That 70s Show" when the stoner Leo (played by Tommy Chong) goes to church and says he loves it because "that dude up there tells stories and that chick over there wails on the organ" (or something like that).

I was born and raised Christian but haven't practiced in years. Islam has been my current religious interest and I have many Muslim friends - some of the nicest people I have ever met.

But I'm still "soul searching", trying to make some sense of my spirituality. I'm not looking for "organized religion" specifically, I'm open to pretty much anything. I tend to believe in God, but He somehow feels distant.

In the meantime I live my life by a few basic principles:

-Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and equality (I'm all for gay rights/marriage and stuff)
-Don't steal
-Don't murder
-Don't harm innocent animals (I'm a HUGE animal lover)
-Try to do something to make the world a better place (ie. volunteer, charity, etc - give back!)

I'm also trying to figure out where weed fits in to my spirituality as well.

sorry for the long post. Great topic though!

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Islam ? ... 'don't murder' ? ... animals ? .. Islam regards animals as filthy, unlcean beasts for the most part, un-worthy of life ... yeah, and we've all seen how they have "strived to make the world a better place" ... don't fall into the "only Islam radicals feel that way" crap ... read the Koran, it is a vicious, murderous cult full of hate for non-believers ... as a Christian, I won't hate you if you turn to Islam, (or anything else), but I will pray for your salvation ... hope you work it all out, while you still have time ... :smokin:

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Originally Posted by JD1stTimer

JDmarcus, I think you're an okay guy. One question, and if you already answered here then I'm sorry I missed it. How do you reconcile using marijuana with your faith? And re: your post to Bogart, do you think that marijuana can't help you get in the right mindset for spiritual exercise? Because I have definitely been able to communicate with the Holy Spirit much easier if I have smoked cannabis. At least to me, it works.

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to be honest I dont smoke weed any more, Iam 47 years old and have smoked it most my life, mostly for mood stabelizer, but in this last year I thought I would give it a try once more for back pain, because of what I have read on it, and that is why I came to this web site to read what other people have to say about it
but it did not help my back pain, and to be honest it just made my mind cloudy. But I dont think we need it as christian because God has given us the holy spirit to guide us, no where in the new testment does it teach that we should smoke bud to have a relationship with God. Now if we smoke bud does that mean we will go to hell?? NO. the apostle paul tells us that all things are lawfull to us, because we are no longer under the law, but not all things are profitable. so it is between YOU an GOD to discuss if it is somthing He wants you to do. I have chosen to keep my mind clear so that when the Lord speaks to me through His spirit, I know that it is him, and I dont have to be concered about the qustion,( was that Him or am I just baked lol ) God bless.:)

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Islam ? ... 'don't murder' ? ... animals ? .. Islam regards animals as filthy, unlcean beasts for the most part, un-worthy of life ... yeah, and we've all seen how they have "strived to make the world a better place" ... don't fall into the "only Islam radicals feel that way" crap ... read the Koran, it is a vicious, murderous cult full of hate for non-believers ... as a Christian, I won't hate you if you turn to Islam, (or anything else), but I will pray for your salvation ... hope you work it all out, while you still have time ... :smokin:

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You haven't read the Bible lately either, have you?

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Originally Posted by liberate_etu_me

if you are using pot to get high then you are committing a sin in the eyes of your god, the bible says ,about any substance that affects the workings of your mind or body is a sin if you use it to the point of becoming intoxicated. You can use it but if you use it as a means to alter your state of mind then you are committing a sin of your body which is supposed to be the temple of your god, therfore it is not keepping with the rules of this christian faith. think about that. i am not believer in god or karma. my faith is with myself and my own abilities. Jesus is and was the only true christian imho anything else is a manipulation of his beliefs to subjugate and control the ignorant masses at the time of its creation. look through hjistory and see there has been more death and destruction in the name of the christian god than any other cause ever thought up. keep the teachings of the bible but discard the rest as fodder for the weak minded and easily controlled.

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Almost everything we do is sin. Whatever is not of faith is sin. You'd be surprised how much sin you have that you're not even aware of. But the lesson in the saying, it's not what enters a man that defiles him, is that no sin can defile our faith.
Unlike religion, where you'll either be kicked out or not accepted because of sin. :asskick:

Didn't Jesus preach that one should never (and I mean *never*) commit violence, to always turn the other cheek, no matter what? How many of yas actually practice what the man preached? If you had a gun, and three guys were raping your mother/sister/father, you wouldn't cap their asses? You don't believe in self-defense? No wars are ever moral? We should've rolled over during WWII and ignored Japanese and German atrocities?

Absolute pacifists -- e.g. those who really practice what Jesus preached -- those are really the only ones I would personally consider 'true Christians'. Going to church on Sunday and giving lip service, then going home and voting for wars (*any* wars), or polishing a handgun, well, that's more than a wee bit hypocritical. And yet, that seems like the most common type of Christian, at least in my experience.

I'm *not* an absolute pacifist, which is why I cannot in good conscience call myself a Christian; I believe self-defense is fine, even if the Son of God says that's not so. I believe there are times when violence isn't just okay, but even a moral imperative -- even if the Son of God says that's not so. I would, therefor, consider myself a hypocrite if I *did* label myself Christian.

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Originally Posted by liberate_etu_me

if you are using pot to get high then you are committing a sin in the eyes of your god, the bible says ,about any substance that affects the workings of your mind or body is a sin if you use it to the point of becoming intoxicated. You can use it but if you use it as a means to alter your state of mind then you are committing a sin of your body which is supposed to be the temple of your god, therfore it is not keepping with the rules of this christian faith. think about that. i am not believer in god or karma. my faith is with myself and my own abilities. Jesus is and was the only true christian imho anything else is a manipulation of his beliefs to subjugate and control the ignorant masses at the time of its creation. look through hjistory and see there has been more death and destruction in the name of the christian god than any other cause ever thought up. keep the teachings of the bible but discard the rest as fodder for the weak minded and easily controlled.

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If you use cannabis for a medicinal reason is that also a sin in the lords eyes? Just curious....Christian here, although I don't go to church anymore, I pray everyday and follow what the lord would want me to do. Personally, I find no problem in my smoking as it's to ease my medical condition. Also, just because someone doesnt go to church it doesnt mean hes not a devout(Sp) christian. My family stopped going to church, and I'm the only one out of all my friends that are a christian :( I know this is not a good excuse, but I'm waiting to find a significant other or friend that I can go to church with, as going to a new church by myself seems too hard for me to pursue...

If you ever find yourself in a tough position, just pray. The lord works in mysterous ways my friends:)

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Originally Posted by jamstigator

Didn't Jesus preach that one should never (and I mean *never*) commit violence, to always turn the other cheek, no matter what? How many of yas actually practice what the man preached? If you had a gun, and three guys were raping your mother/sister/father, you wouldn't cap their asses? You don't believe in self-defense? No wars are ever moral? We should've rolled over during WWII and ignored Japanese and German atrocities?

Absolute pacifists -- e.g. those who really practice what Jesus preached -- those are really the only ones I would personally consider 'true Christians'. Going to church on Sunday and giving lip service, then going home and voting for wars (*any* wars), or polishing a handgun, well, that's more than a wee bit hypocritical. And yet, that seems like the most common type of Christian, at least in my experience.

I'm *not* an absolute pacifist, which is why I cannot in good conscience call myself a Christian; I believe self-defense is fine, even if the Son of God says that's not so. I believe there are times when violence isn't just okay, but even a moral imperative -- even if the Son of God says that's not so. I would, therefor, consider myself a hypocrite if I *did* label myself Christian.

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you have a God given right to defend your self and your love ones
God is not a fool, what jesus was talking about when He said turn
the other check was centered on some one ofending you, we are not to return insult for insult. we have a God given right to defend are selfs from all kinds of evil, once again we can not take a verse
out of context.:)

Well, *you* say we have a God-given right to defend ourselves, but that isn't what Jesus taught.

Here are some examples:

"But I say to you, Offer the wicked man no resistance. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; if a man takes you to law and would have your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone orders you to go one mile, go two miles with him."

No self-defense there. It's pretty clear what he's saying: if people hurt you, allow it. You can also go to the 10 Commandments: "thou shalt not kill". There are no exceptions; it doesn't say "thou shalt not kill unless someone is trying to kill you" or anything like that.

More from Jesus:

""Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who treat you badly."

"You know the commandments: you must not kill..."

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you."

So, while you may think you have a God-given right to self-defense, Jesus would not agree with you. That puts you in a disagreement with the Son of God, and I'm pretty sure He wins all those arguments. This means that you aren't *really* Christian, as I am not, because while I don't think God gave me the right to self-defense, I assert that right for myself, despite the fact that it is the antithesis of what Jesus taught.

There are many more examples of Jesus' pacifism of course.