"make love not war" was what I was trying to say. The rest of the words are just part of some spell to increase your Mana 100 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
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"make love not war" was what I was trying to say. The rest of the words are just part of some spell to increase your Mana 100 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
This is not proof at all. Would you like the explanation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
If everything on this earth did not work together quite perfectly in the way that it does, than it is highly unlikely life would be able to sustain itself here. And life has adapted, through millions of years of natural selection, to flourish in given environmental conditions. In the infinite amount of planets with their infinite arrays of composition, there are also an infinite amount of planets capable of sustaining life. Incidentally, there are also an infinite amount of planets with life on them, distant though they may be. Unfortunately, our small world and petty problems are NOT the center of the universe. This giant, amazing ecosystem is rather insignificant in the scheme of things. I am sorry to inform you, but chance IS the reason for your existence.
Personally, I find the whole thing to be quite incredible and beautiful in and of itself. Attributing it to the work of some conscious higher power is an injustice. Maybe what you call god is just the phenomenal, universal interaction of things?
I can understand people making their case so that those who are looking for answers wont be misguided by other peoples view of the world. I've been sucked into that world on many an occasion. From what I see around me in the real world there isn't much of this kind of debate going on. But on the net it is constant. I think the South Park episode with everyone atheist but splitting into divided groups fighting each other showed in a fun way how humans will band together with common goals and values and beliefs and attack other groups who don't agree with them. Monkeys in the wild exhibit gang behaviour and will attack other groups. We are just slightly more evolved but not much more. Maybe in the future we will evolve a bit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper666
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Originally Posted by PureEvil760
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You live to be 80-100 right? those living in truth live to be 1000-3000. I wasnt really talking about life expectancy though, I'm talking about this lifetime, those living in darkness are going to be exterminated by the earth within the next 30 years.
There is a special kind of mental illness that seems to describe you oh so perfectly.Quote:
You can be indenial and argue all you want but its a hopeless struggle, the light has already won.
Where is your proof? What do you have to back up your claims besides empty words? In this day and age, we require proof before believing any claims, let alone ones as off the wall as this one.
Is this the part where you bring in the magic angel of 1988 or whatever, and how he backtracks about how the world was supposed to end in 2000?
Or is this the part where you ridicule others for their skepticism in something that is so outlandish sounding that the average person would just look at you and have to fight to not have an anuerism due to the stupid being caught in their heads.
Where is your proof? What do you have to back your claims? What evidence do you have? Where are you getting this from, evidence or not?
Answer some questions for a change, instead of just spouting drivel over and over again with nothing behind it but a mentality that everyone else is wrong and you are right.
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God is real, it is a fact.
Where is your demonstration of this fact? Where is your proof of God existing? Wait, whats that, you dont have any proof? There hasnt been any proof for hundreds upon hundreds of years? Oh yeah... thats right. So in the meantime, spout what you want, but remember, there is a stark difference between FACTS and BELIEF.Quote:
Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed
spaghetti monster come forth.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
He just called me and said he will meet up when God and Jesus rsvp as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
most of us were brought up to believe the usual monotheistic mythologies. jahwe, allah, jesus etc. are the standard fare to keep the young'uns in line and introduce them to the concepts of law and morality. though many question the believability of such fairy tales, most eventually revert to the indoctrination of their childhood and join the majority in their blind belief. this is seldom questioned and it is, in fact, considered in poor taste to challenge those beliefs in public.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
many of us, however, find no solace in those religious best-sellers and choose the path of the unbeliever. unlike the believers, our conclusions are constantly put to the test. such questions as "how can you not believe in god?" are not considered impolite, but are considered the normal response when a believer is faced with someone who so brazenly denies the validity of their chosen faith.
so, what is our answer to be? the real answer is that this is our belief, but that carries little weight in the face of so vast a majority. instead we detail the steps that led us to our belief. we cite each false note and misstep we have noticed and hope that will satisfy our faithful questioners. it never does, but our small minority needs some weapon to face the brutish power of the world's religious institutions and since y'all have abandoned reason, we have taken up logic to be our sword and shield.
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Originally Posted by imitator
lol dude i'm on your side, so don't go off on me or anything, but you're so barking up the wrong tree with that shit on him.... just look at some of his posts.... i've learned to just kinda ignore it o.0
anyways... i'm heavily considering just stopping debating with believers all together... it's so useless.... they NEVER listen, they NEVER admit they could be wrong...
they always claim to know, and their sole proof is always some random quote from the bible... which of course, atleast to logical people is no proof at all... i mean i could quote spells from harry potter, does that mean the magic really exists?
meh i just don't know anymore... i don't even believe 90% of them have faith, i think their relentlessly unlogical and/or evasive answers aren't coming from faith, but just trying to convince themselves they're right and not crazy.... what other explination could there really be? they take it far past faith... they talk about it as if they have personally met god, and he has explained every last detail of life to them... as if they could say with 100% they're right...
I disagree with most of what you wrote. I'm sure believers sometimes get frustrated with non-believers, they probably feel that we *never* listen to anything they say, because no one's opinion ever changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
If you're aiming to change someone's opinion on something this big and important in someone's life, you're wasting your time. It's like trying to convince someone that their politics are wrong, it's not going to happen. Sure, you can debate on certain specific issues with them, but you'll never change a lefty into a righty, or vice versa, on an internet forum, at least without a good deal of time and more than likely you'd need to become very important to them for them to *really* listen.
that said, I come to discuss spirituality because I love sociology and anthropology, I love learning why people think in certain ways, so it's more about learning than actually trying to change someone's opinion.
Stop trying so hard and just have fun :D
I do understand, however, when you're trying to have a conversation, and someone comes in and spouts off random ideas, presenting them as fact without a lick of proof, or anything substantial to back it up, not bothering to answer any questions. Just stop talking to them and you'll keep your hair for a longer time :D