Is Satan Real?

"What has christianity taught us? We are wrong.

Lust is wrong.
Envy is wrong.
Hate is wrong.
Gluttony is wrong.
Sloth is wrong.

These are all things that come naturally to a person, no?

We shouldn't have to believe these things are wrong, or feel guilty doing what makes us feel good"

RIGHT ON!!!

"satan's a scapegoat for mans own animal instincts. we'd rather blame a mythological figure for all the hate and violence in the world and within every person than face up to the fact were the source of the evil in the world."

yup

"^mans an animal which tries its hardest to distance it self from other animals, we try to do this by making up myths about gods, which attemps to justify mans sense of supperiority. "

hell yes

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Originally Posted by NCarolina420

If there is no God then please explain to me the moral sense within us that every human being is born with...there is no other logical explanation for the Earth being here today except by chance or by Creation...every philosophy for chance has been disproven yet the Bible has not..it covers every detail in life possible...there is a God and there is Satan...why live this life thinking that once you die there is nothing else? Your Judgement day is coming.

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See this is why I've recently lost faith in the existence of a god. everybody bases the "proof" of god on "well it can't be explained so that means god did it". so we can't explain where the earth came from, or the universe, or the 3 nickles I found under my couch, so what? there was a time when we couldn't explain how the moon orbited around the earth, or what the stars were, that doesn't mean god is moving them around, because we eventually figured the science of it out. and just because we currently can't explain the origin and such-and-such, doesn't mean the credit goes to god by default.

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

See this is why I've recently lost faith in the existence of a god. everybody bases the "proof" of god on "well it can't be explained so that means god did it". so we can't explain where the earth came from, or the universe, or the 3 nickles I found under my couch, so what? there was a time when we couldn't explain how the moon orbited around the earth, or what the stars were, that doesn't mean god is moving them around, because we eventually figured the science of it out. and just because we currently can't explain the origin and such-and-such, doesn't mean the credit goes to god by default.

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right on! "God" is man's way of explaining the unexplained. When the unexplained becomes becomes explainable, man simply finds something else to praise God for. I feel for mankind. Nothing can ever be proved to not exist: It's impossible. So there will never be conclusive proof that God doesn't exist. The human race may never get out of this rut that we're stuck in, of believing in fairy tales like God and angels and demons, without conclusive proof that God doesnt exist, and even then people would still believe in God. But since nobody will ever be able to prove he doesnt exist, then we're screwed. Apparantly a lack of conclusive proof that he doesnt exist is proof that he exists.

Well, it all comes down to human ego really, that we're so important that the greatest being in existence is concerned with us.

on a side note, what always bothered me about the afterlife is, who gets to go? I mean I always though if I get to go to heaven, shouldn't my dog too? he was a really nic spirited dog, very kind hearted. but then where is the line drawn if he can get in? do all the ants, and beetles, and bacteria, and jellyfish go to heaven?

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

Well, it all comes down to human ego really, that we're so important that the greatest being in existence is concerned with us.

on a side note, what always bothered me about the afterlife is, who gets to go? I mean I always though if I get to go to heaven, shouldn't my dog too? he was a really nic spirited dog, very kind hearted. but then where is the line drawn if he can get in? do all the ants, and beetles, and bacteria, and jellyfish go to heaven?

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Of course the animals dont get to go to heaven, at least according to Christianity. Simply because of the fact that man commonly believes animals to be too stupid to comprehend religion, or anything else for that matter. If animals cannot comprehend religion, then they cannot be saved.

Personally, I dont believe in heaven or hell. I choose to realize that these things were created by man for man. Heaven is Christianities way of rewarding you for being brain washed, and hell is their punishment for allowing yourself to think and do for yourself.

Religion is the true evil of the world. It is what drives most wars. It is what is behind many murders. Religion is the worst thing man has ever invented. If it wasnt for religion, and oil, America wouldnt have taken over Iraq. If it wasnt for religion, Osama wouldnt have had his men fly fully loaded planes into the world trade center and the pentagon.

666

well said, SatanicStonermonkey

So yes satan is real, and its not some angel, or guy with horns, or some metaphore meant to make real in the minds of simple peasants TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO (yes they had to tell fairy tales for poeple to believe things back then)
Tyr was a society built on unhealthy behaviour and ideas perpetuated by the few teh brave the...wealthy. A land of the free no less.

Satan is a direct translation either as teller of lies, or of untruths or something like that (dont remember the exacpt phrase, but thats the idea behind it)
That means lies. Lie-ers. Us. You, me, him, her, these are the manyfold mouths of the great beast beelzebub.
Lies are designed to misdirect poeple, and modify thier desires, thus influencing the focus of their intentions (hmmm keeps on coming back to that huhn...)
The german people didnt want to eradicate jews, they were presented an easy target and fed lies. crystal nacht anyone?

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Originally Posted by NCarolina420

If there is no God then please explain to me the moral sense within us that every human being is born with...there is no other logical explanation for the Earth being here today except by chance or by Creation...every philosophy for chance has been disproven yet the Bible has not..it covers every detail in life possible...there is a God and there is Satan...why live this life thinking that once you die there is nothing else? Your Judgement day is coming.

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The judgement day cometh...eek.

Exactly what moral sense is man born with? When was this proved? We develop a sense of morality when we enter what Piaget called the formal operational period, which co-incides roughly with puberty.

Sometimes it's the folk who know it all who know nothing...

A. Is it really necessary to quote the entire original post?

B. Hades = Greek God of the underworld
Pan = God of shepherds and flocks http://www.mythweb.com/gods/other_gods.html

C. God (Definition)
1. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
2. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
5. A very handsome man.
6. A powerful ruler or despot.

D. Satan (Def)
The profoundly evil adversary of God and humanity, often identified with the leader of the fallen angels; the Devil.

In Hebrew = The advesary.

E. Faith is what you believe in. Most Westerners were raised as Christians and know what they were taught (go figure). Words are words, depending on what part of the world you live in those words represent different things.

F. Who gives a shit? Party like its 1999!!!!!