Woman sues US prison over son's 86-minute execution
OneQuestion-
I think that saying it makes me no better than the killer kind of talk is bullshit. I did not make a choice to take 3 innocent lives, he did. He made a choice knowing full well what the punishment could be.
My daughter knows the rules around here and she knows what the consequences are for breaking them. She is never surprised when she gets grounded for something. Why do killers act all surprised when their stupid asses get caught and society expects them to pay for their crimes?
Coelho-- It would break my heart forever if a child or other relative of mine killed somebody. And of course i wouldnt want them to die for it. But I would also understand that they made a choice and consequences have to happen.
Now Im only a bitch like this about killers and pedophiles. Cause that shit is heinous and unforgivable to me. I have no problem with most of the folks who go to prison, see the error of their ways and reform. Nothing but respect for people strong enough to turn their lives around like that.
Woman sues US prison over son's 86-minute execution
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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
I don't believe in the death penalty for the simple reason that people can make mistakes. And I'm not talking about offenders, I'm talking about people who convict alleged offenders. I'd hate to lose someone to the death penalty because of a corrupt system.
I've never found one single case of a person that was killed with the death penalty, and later proven innocent. This is NOT the same as somebody being released from Death Row - I'm only talking actual executions.
As for a "corrupt" system, I'd say that there are a lot more people getting away with violent crimes than innocent people getting convicted of crimes they didn't commit.
Woman sues US prison over son's 86-minute execution
With the number of people being 'released' from Death Row seen as a percent of the population, and the number of executions over the years, there can be little doubt that innocents have been executed.
I had always been in favor of the death penalty, but with these 'mistakes' coming to light and the great comparative cost of a death penalty vs life sentence (due to endless appeals), I find it difficult to justify anymore.
Note: I have no problem executing the truly guilty (viscious murderers, serial rapists, child molesters, etc), I would even flip the switch (or whatever). BUT, if we are to do it we need to do it right, quickly and cleanly. This botched effort here cannot be repeated, and to that end I hope she wins her suit.
Woman sues US prison over son's 86-minute execution
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Originally Posted by Coelho
Well... i will ask one question for the people that are favourable to death sentences:
If, instead of some unknown person, were your son, or husband, or father that had commited that crime. Would you still wish with the same ardent conviction that the death sentence were applied? Or you would ask for mercy?
Think about it... because every question have two sides...
Ummmm....I'm confused. I am obviously against the death penalty so why are you asking me this? You might have been high when you wrote this so i wont count it against you. This is after all a cannabis board.
Woman sues US prison over son's 86-minute execution
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Originally Posted by TX Girl
OneQuestion-
I think that saying it makes me no better than the killer kind of talk is bullshit. I did not make a choice to take 3 innocent lives, he did. He made a choice knowing full well what the punishment could be.
My daughter knows the rules around here and she knows what the consequences are for breaking them. She is never surprised when she gets grounded for something. Why do killers act all surprised when their stupid asses get caught and society expects them to pay for their crimes?
Coelho-- It would break my heart forever if a child or other relative of mine killed somebody. And of course i wouldnt want them to die for it. But I would also understand that they made a choice and consequences have to happen.
Now Im only a bitch like this about killers and pedophiles. Cause that shit is heinous and unforgivable to me. I have no problem with most of the folks who go to prison, see the error of their ways and reform. Nothing but respect for people strong enough to turn their lives around like that.
Wow, you should be ashamed to use that sort of twisted logic on a cannabis board. People who smoke weed know full well that it can land them in jail, but we still choose to do it. Now when one of us gets a sent to prison for a couple of years, does that make it right? No, it doesnt. Same thing with the death penalty. Think aboout it. I think youare letting your emotions get in the way of reason. I'm sure you wouldn't support the death penalty if some twisted fuck didnt kill people you knew.
I would also like to add that sometimes people just dont think about what theyre doing and the people that their crimes affect. Being in the court room with the victim's crying friends and family can often put things into perspective and ensure that what they did would never happen again.
Woman sues US prison over son's 86-minute execution
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Originally Posted by onequestion
Ummmm....I'm confused. I am obviously against the death penalty so why are you asking me this? You might have been high when you wrote this so i wont count it against you. This is after all a cannabis board.
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Originally Posted by Coelho
Well... i will ask one question for the people that are favourable to death sentences:
If, instead of some unknown person, were your son, or husband, or father that had commited that crime. Would you still wish with the same ardent conviction that the death sentence were applied? Or you would ask for mercy?
Think about it... because every question have two sides...
I don't think the (one) question that he asked was directed at you, onequestion. ;) Note the space between 'one' and 'question' But that's an easy mistake to make, especially if you're high. :jointsmile:
Woman sues US prison over son's 86-minute execution
Maybe I do let my emotions get in the way a little bit, but I was in favor of the dp before, too.
Smokin weed and murder are two very different things, I don't see why you are even goin there, really.
We think weed should be legal. We are right. And none of us should be punished.
(almost) No one thinks murder should be legal.
you said:I would also like to add that sometimes people just dont think about what theyre doing and the people that their crimes affect. Being in the court room with the victim's crying friends and family can often put things into perspective and ensure that what they did would never happen again.
And if that person was there because of stealing - fine. give him another chance. If he steals again, big deal, its just money. but ya cant take chances with peoples lives like that if he was a murderer.
I dont think my logic is twisted but wtf, I dont know anything bout anything anymore so i will think about it and see if i feel the same tomorrow. which i probably will.
night :)
Woman sues US prison over son's 86-minute execution
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
I've never found one single case of a person that was killed with the death penalty, and later proven innocent. This is NOT the same as somebody being released from Death Row - I'm only talking actual executions.
As for a "corrupt" system, I'd say that there are a lot more people getting away with violent crimes than innocent people getting convicted of crimes they didn't commit.
I think there shouldn't be a death row in the first place, but sometimes, a life sentence should be a REAL life sentence.
Woman sues US prison over son's 86-minute execution
Your point was that since the killer knew that the death penalty existed, it is justified. I dont know how that is different than saying being punished for weed is justifiable since we know it is punishable. It is not nearly as different as you think. Also, i looked back at my post and notice that I said you were as bad as the killer who you wished to be put to death. I was insensitive but i'm sure you understood my point.
And i feel pretty stupid about thinking that question was directed towards me. I just thought that the guy was a little confused lol.
Woman sues US prison over son's 86-minute execution
Watch Lock-Up on MSNBC sometime.......most of these poor people doing life really don't give a rats if they shank someone in prison. What's another life sentence to them? In the meantime some poor bastard in there for a non-violent crime has to live with that scum for the duration of their sentence.
Imagine this.....your "loved one" gets 5 years for some type of robbery and you receive word that he's been killed behind bars by somebody doing double life for a multiple murders. I'd be VERY pissed off that they didn't fry that dude in the first place.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
