"Sicko", Moores best yet.
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Originally Posted by Sugarblaster
i don't preach socialism as a whole, i've thought long and hard about what i want out of my government and i think it's something everyone should do before they gain their right to vote.
I want universal healthcare, a fair taxation system to fund that, and everything else is all in the constitution. And the constitution is anything but socialistic, so does that make me a Socialist? Am I full blown Socialism patriot? i think not.
How much power do American people have any way? It's all in the hands of corporations. And corporations are the hands to the puppets in Washington D.C.
Our government is anything but socialist yet they share power with the corporations and old rich away from the rest of us. So the side your defending isn't any better. Thats why there is moderation, take the best of both worlds, they can all coexist. Being ignorant and totally blowing things off won't get you anywhere, listen to both sides and take each part that can appeal to you and everyone else. Being one sided won't get anyone anywhere.
Our government is unresponsive because it's structured to be unresponsive to the people, especially with the people in there now. What about other countries? they seem very responsive to their people's needs. Moore brings this up, he criticizes Americans for being afraid of the government. It shouldn't be that way, the government should be afraid of us! Why are we letting the government control us when it's WRITTEN on our Constitution, our freaking BIRTH CERTIFICATE as a country that WE THE PEOPLE have given our guidelines to what our government is to provide us. The government today is way out of line. WHAT SAY YE TO THAT?
I pretty much agree with you, but the problem is: how to affect the needed changes. Greed is rampant, not only in the government, but also the private sector. To eliminate Greed, (I find myself aflicted with it, although to a lessor degree, as I won't do what it takes to get rich.) It would take the second coming, or divine intervention so to speak. The human animal, in general, is a selfish piece of crap that only exists to further it's own interest. There are a few notable exceptions, Jesus comes to mind, Gandi also, but in general, from the earliest days of childhood, well into old age, the selfish crap continues. Maybe in some Tribal cultures I've witnessed on TV there is less of this trait, but in "civilized" cultures it is rampant.
"Sicko", Moores best yet.
Sefless people extend beyound famous figures though medicinal, you just can't meet them all. My grandmother comes to mind, I've never seen somebody as selfless as her, it's amazing how well she does it really.
"Sicko", Moores best yet.
I don't want to have a king/queen/monarchy/dictator, but I still think universal healthcare is feasible here. We all know the government regulates many things that they really shouldn't (such as marijuana and internet poker, lol) so I really don't see the concern about having healthcare regulated, and prices fixed. The only people this would hurt are the insurance and pharmaceutical companies.
"Sicko", Moores best yet.
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Originally Posted by ceecee79
I don't want to have a king/queen/monarchy/dictator, but I still think universal healthcare is feasible here. We all know the government regulates many things that they really shouldn't (such as marijuana and internet poker, lol) so I really don't see the concern about having healthcare regulated, and prices fixed. The only people this would hurt are the insurance and pharmaceutical companies.
universal healthcare would destroy insurance company selling. pharmaceutical companies could still operate, they just won't make as much money as before, they'll still get paid.
i was talking to a british immigrant who was in one of my classes at night school. i asked him about the health care system and everything, as i brought this movie up to the table over a meal and beer at applebee's :)
he said that a lot of rich people usually have private doctors, they don't have to use the government's health care if they don't want to... also that that doctors are not just commited to working for the big cheese and supporting universal healthcare.
that doesn't sound so SOCIALiST now does it? If a doctor wants to make more cash and use his pratice for private business he still can. Moore didn't shed light on this in the film, i can only ask why he didn't cause it kinda helps to fight for his point and waters down the governmental control over health care that people fear so much about.
"Sicko", Moores best yet.
You're quite right Sugarblasted, and France has a two-tier medical system as well. Moore showed some of the best nations for healthcare and made it look like they were 100% socialist, when in fact the worlds best healthcare systems use both government and private sectors. Honestly, everybody in Canada is so terrified of privitized medicine, everybody in America thinks socialized medicine is the work of Satan himself, and so few actually consider giving the people some options.
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Originally Posted by Sugarblaster
universal healthcare would destroy insurance company selling. pharmaceutical companies could still operate, they just won't make as much money as before, they'll still get paid.
Right if you take out the middle man and the profit motive you could potentially have a much more efficient system. We pay so much more in administrative cost than those countries with government funded systems. Heck Medicare is socialized medical care and people are very happy with it and it has very low administrative costs. A combined system would force the private insurers and providers to compete with the government system and most likely lower their costs as well.
"Sicko", Moores best yet.
I just watched this movie and it wasnt funny at all.Why do the americans fear a NHS ?The lady whom need the inhalers was paying $120 and here in uk she would pay £6.50 .my god if you have no insurance you could die.That is not funny and these companies are refusing people medical help for profit.Icant understand why the american people would stand for that ,everyone rich or poor should have free acsess to medical help of thw highest standard.dave
"Sicko", Moores best yet.
Icant understand why the american people would stand for that ,everyone rich or poor should have free acsess to medical help of thw highest standard.dave
Me either Dave!
"Sicko", Moores best yet.
In ancient rome the fire dept. was a private company. If your house caught on fire they came out, but only actually put out the fire if you had enough money to pay them. Sounds crazy, huh? But that's how the US health care system works. Your house probably will never catch fire, but you are gonna get sick. In a couple thousand years people will look back and wonder why the richest, most powerful empire the world has ever seen tolerated such a situation.
"Sicko", Moores best yet.
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Originally Posted by andruejaysin
In ancient rome the fire dept. was a private company. If your house caught on fire they came out, but only actually put out the fire if you had enough money to pay them. Sounds crazy, huh? But that's how the US health care system works. Your house probably will never catch fire, but you are gonna get sick. In a couple thousand years people will look back and wonder why the richest, most powerful empire the world has ever seen tolerated such a situation.
Can I get an Amen? Question: why are the republicans so afraid of NHC? Is it the fact that most of them are higher up the socioeconomic ladder and have better private health care? Or the fact that they just don't care about anyone but themselves, or both?
