What is your version of THE TRUTH?

unable to grasp the concept of the infinite, we feebly grasp at what little we know and attempt to extrapolate a grand design for the universe. seeking structure, we construct laws by which we believe the universe is constrained and then see those laws shattered as we manage to peer a little farther into eternity. so then we build another set of rules based on the tiny bit more we have learned and so on and so on.....

we humans are great rule makers and we seem to try and find patterns in everything, but in an infinite universe those patterns are so insignificant. we try to impose the idea of our superiority on the vast canvas of reality by imagining ourselves to be immortal in some twisted way. whether through magic or pseudo-science we attempt to refute the reality that we will one day cease to exist.


so here are my assembled great truths:

1. the human soul is a myth. it isn't a magical entity or a cohesive bundle of energy which survives our material demise. we exist for a short time and then we disappear and the minimal amount of energy created by or used in our passing merely goes on to be used in some unrelated activity somewhere else in the universe. our immortality exists only within those who we have touched in our brief span of years.

2. there is no great purpose for humanity's existence. we are merely another happenstance among an infinite number of possibilities and our creation is nothing more than random chance. insignificant and impotent, we are just taking up a bit of space for a while in this backwater of reality.

3. there is no grand design to the universe. chaos reigns supreme and the tiny patterns which we see as immutable laws are merely temporary eddies in the vast maelstrom of existence. there is no benevolent overseer aligning the cosmos into some ultimate harmonic convergence, no shadowy master of ceremonies with a master plan.



there you go. now be fruitful and multiply, eat drink and be merry, do unto others, brush after every meal and don't forget to floss.
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for all those big words u must know everything cause if u can prove just one of these then u would know everything.i love these people that think there above everyone else and there supreme knowledge is to far advanced for anyone else to understand so they throw a few (big) words around well not that big in this case but iv'e seen worse lol

ok i had to roll up a cigarillo on this one
i also have struggled my whole life with purpose...

i have realized this, basically there is almost no logical way anything a religion says is true ( don't get specific you know what i mean) by that i mean god or gods, or energys spirits whatever

i grew up in a baptist/christian mind.. but something was never right, i was always trying to convince myself to belive, but i couldn't....
thanks to space, and science we have been able to better understand our reality. i know thanking space is retarded like my typing skills but still... you know what i mean... being able to look... and see how matter and energy collide on such a rediculous scale, is amazing. we can litterally see into time... we know we are looking so far away that the light itself is older than anything that predates what was thought possible. there are theories on the origin of it all... but when you add in infinity... we will never really understand the origin... i can't wrap my brain around it... and i have read all the theories, gotten DEEP... but it still boils down to... how is creation possible... how is anything possible... doesn't something have to be first... i mean theoretically though time circulates and the universe creates and recreates itself, there is no time you can't just look at exsistence, and you can't view time or existience... its all just energy, the energys swirl there is nothing we are literally all just energy lol what we all concieve is solid is just somthing to the effect of pushing two magnets together, just vastly more defined, our energy is solid, or stable and aligned

our universe is just a gigantic reaction... how about that... and every reaction possible is happening literally... infinite yall... it happens based around what is reacting (energy) the more we understand energy and all of its reactions the more it will all make sense... but eventually reactions cause matter,energy pulls and tugs at matter... in all the ways we know, thermal, magnetical, ect...boom*** stars and planets... and matter reacts with itself... and everynow and then if the wet towel is left in the dark closet long enough you can get mold... ;)

so you get life if conditions permit... and eventually apearantly there are beings capable of great intelect... but they are weak and die....
do we reincarnate, or whatever? i don't think so... but there is only one way to know... die for the good...

THAT's just my lil opinion... but the way life has shown me... the only things i have seen proven... ya know

hey timmay im glad u posted that vid as it was a great peace of knowledge. im not talking about the first part about god i have my own views on that. but the rest answered alot of ? and filled in the gaps. as i remember when i was in private school and i remember my teacher played a vid talking about these people. that at the time was saying something about one of the bush's being the head of this nwo. or one world order where they control everything.

1 gov and they would do this by a chip and card just like it was saying on there. and that if u don't do things the way they want u to. then they can shut u off via the chip. but that vid was great it tied all the loose ends together. and the gag orders to the troops in nam. i know of that to well. as my dad was a force recon in the marines and was there in 67,68,and 69. and thats one of the things he would talk about. how they were over there risking there lifes. and they were'nt even allowed to fire a shot untill they got fired at or mortors raining in on them. then they would have to call in and get aproval to be able to engage the enemy. now thats bs!!!

and thats what kept me from joining too. as im not gonna put my life on the line and have sum prick sitting in an office somewhere state side telling me when i can and can't do something. fuck that and i will for sure spread that vid around thanks bunches

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

for all those big words u must know everything cause if u can prove just one of these then u would know everything.i love these people that think there above everyone else and there supreme knowledge is to far advanced for anyone else to understand so they throw a few (big) words around well not that big in this case but i've seen worse lol

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above, no. i'm right along side the rest of humanity, even a bit below quite a few. i do, however, love words. i love the way they feel as they drip off my tongue, flow out of my fingertips and rattle around in my brain. i take a bit of pride in crafting a message that is pleasing to my eye and ear. i like to delude myself into believing that there are some out there that might appreciate the care i take with each post and and derive some pleasure from the words, if not their meaning. excuse me if you find my posts pretentious, but that's the way i write and it's sometimes even the way i speak.:p

or rather, the question implied by the following:

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

.....cause if u can prove just one of these then u would know everything.

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the answer, of course, is - i can't prove a bit of it. i can't prove my truths any more than the faithful can prove the existence of their gods or madam zoltan down on the corner can prove that she can speak with my long dead aunt harold and uncle gladys. isn't that the nature of religion and spirituality? my truths are merely what i believe, you are always free ignore them or even consider them laughable if you wish. if you can actually disprove them i would be more than willing to reexamine my philosophies and adjust them to make room for any new facts.
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religion is man made anyways, just like kings and queens,and im not saying im in with the man made stuff. but to say just because man has corrupted religion does'nt mean god does not exist.and im not downing u or trying to be mean but the way u write just makes u sound like u think ur above everyone.u know how atheist seem to think they know all just seem the way u come across i might be wrong

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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity

above, no. i'm right along side the rest of humanity, even a bit below quite a few. i do, however, love words. i love the way they feel as they drip off my tongue, flow out of my fingertips and rattle around in my brain. i take a bit of pride in crafting a message that is pleasing to my eye and ear. i like to delude myself into believing that there are some out there that might appreciate the care i take with each post and and derive some pleasure from the words, if not their meaning. excuse me if you find my posts pretentious, but that's the way i write and it's sometimes even the way i speak.:p

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You don't have to "delude" yourself into believing that people appreciate your talents for written communicaton. I do, for one, and I'm quite sure that there are many others who do, as well. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

You don't have to "delude" yourself into believing that people appreciate your talents for written communicaton. I do, for one, and I'm quite sure that there are many others who do, as well. :thumbsup:

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Absolutely. I, too, absolutely appreciate an expertly eloquated statement as opposed to a confusing mass of static verbs, nouns, incorrect grammar, lack of punctuation, and lost thoughts.

Although Im human and my posts can vary from one extreme to the other, I usually try to clearly articulate myself so that my thoughts can be accurately interpreted by the masses.

Fear not, Delusions, your literacy is not wasted.

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

for all those big words u must know everything cause if u can prove just one of these then u would know everything.i love these people that think there above everyone else and there supreme knowledge is to far advanced for anyone else to understand so they throw a few (big) words around well not that big in this case but iv'e seen worse lol

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Take no offense in this thread, above all others. The real truth is that truth is a human concept, one that is relative to the observer and the perceiver, and it is often confused with fact.

I am merely asking for opinions, thoughts, introspective realizations.... correspondance basically. Human interaction is a good enough purpose for our existence if you ask me. I asked for peoples opinions, and that is certainly DelusionsofNORMALity's opinion. While I disagree with his view that we have no purpose, and as a future physicist I certainly disagree that chaos reigns supreme, I appreciate his input and opinion just as much as those who agree with me. For if there is nobody to disagree with, then what will motivate us to keep searching? Im thankful of his opinion, and moreso, his inoffensive communication of it.

Thanks to all for contributing!! Keep em coming!

Hey Grazi, Delusions is a "she". :D

Everyone has their view on life. To me, JESUS is THE TRUTH.
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