Creationism Museum...WTF

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Originally Posted by Nation_1ne

Religious Science, Non-Religious Science, 2 different subjects and two different versions. Both not the same thing meaning there is more than one. For there to only be one science both subjects would have to be teaching the exact same thing.

I'm not saying it is science to the truest form if at all, but what else shall I refer to it as? If they believe that's Science and refer to it as Science then I'd say it's a Christian version of Science. Regardless if it should or shouldn't be called Science, they still practice this meaning that the two subjects (Rligion and Science) aren't separate.

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The Catholic Church has long held a very Christian version of Science. Turns out most of the science it forced upon it's followers didn't quite turn out to be correct. That's not to say it's still so hidebound, but many fundamentalists today seem to echo this dangerous belief.

The thing is, Evolution is still a theory. Scientists continue to use it because it hasn't been proven wrong. If new information came to light, the theory would be replaced by a more accurate one. The same cannot be said for the "Christian Science."

That being said, I'll open myself up to flaming with a short rant. Religion and Science have always gone well together, just ask Galileo Galilei.

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With the loss of many of his defenders in Rome because of Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, Galileo was ordered to stand trial on suspicion of heresy in 1633. The sentence of the Inquisition was in three essential parts:
â?¢Galileo was required to recant his heliocentric ideas; the idea that the Sun is stationary was condemned as "formally heretical." However, while there is no doubt that Pope Urban VIII and the vast majority of Church officials did not believe in heliocentrism, Catholic doctrine is defined by the pope when he speaks ex cathedra (from the Chair of Saint Peter) in matters of faith and morals. While Church officials did condemn Galileo, heliocentrism was never formally or officially condemned by the Catholic Church, except insofar as it held (for instance, in the formal condemnation of Galileo) that "The proposition that the sun is in the center of the world and immovable from its place is absurd, philosophically false, and formally heretical; because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scriptures", and the converse as to the Sun's not revolving around the Earth.[16]
â?¢He was ordered imprisoned; the sentence was later commuted to house arrest.
â?¢His offending Dialogue was banned; and in an action not announced at the trial and not enforced, publication of any of his works was forbidden, including any he might write in the future.

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This is the danger of Theology ruling Science. If science is beyond the dogma of the current theology, the information is dismissed and the scientist is persecuted.

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Originally Posted by stonedblue

We cannot prove that evolution is real.

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:wtf: lol

I would go to that museum. It sounds like it would be very intresting to go and see. Smoking before would be awesome. I believe in creationism and it may not be the popular opinion in this thread, but that is how I believe. I dont see anything wrong with the museum. It brings to life everything Christians have read about.

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

I just pictured Jesus sitting out front doing a Bible signing.

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no; god does the bible signings, jesus gives the guided tours and the holy ghost is in charge of security.

i could put logic into intelligent design, but not this whole museum thing. it is utter bullshit.


i dont particularly care, but i definitely say it's total BS.



as for being logical, it's simple really: mind over matter, and energy for that matter:P


mind is ever present, eternal, and infinite, matter and energy are illusions created by the mind.



kind of like a video game, where did video games come from? they surely werent just a product of random occurrences between computers and programmers!



life is just a giant MMORPG for the mind(s).


your mind is the real you, your body is just your character lol

Who cares what they believe? They obviously have made very little headway in getting their religion taught in public schools in any form at all, and have made zero headway in getting evolution out of the schools. In fact, their goal isn't even to get evolution out of the schools, but that's for another thread.

I don't necessarily believe in the 6 24-hour day creation. But I don't care if someone does. Many of these people are high acheivers in the "secular" educational system. So creationism existing in society doesn't make people dumber. It just makes them more open to various theories that exist... whether they agree with them or not.

The low test scores in the U.S. have nothing to do with Christianity. If anything, they have to do with morality, discipline, and Christianity being taken OUT of the schools in the middle to end of last century (amazingly enough, when things sort of started going downhill in this country economically and socially).

I don't think public schools should teach religion or Christianity... don't get me wrong. But basic morals (pilosophy of ethics, morality, etc.) should be back in the curriculum in public schools. Getting it from Christianity as a *State* religion was wrong... but in tossing out moral ethics and Christianty from the school system they threw the baby out with the bathwater.

Kids should be taught the morals of good, hard work, diligence, fighting laziness, not wasting time and effort in gossip, backbiting, fighting, abusing drugs (not necessarily using them... but abusing them) etc... a host of things. All these things were taught when Christianity was in the schools (since they are all part of that religion).

Again, I *don't* want Christianity in the schools. But there needs to be a moral foundation for kids to grow on.

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Originally Posted by RamblerGambler

I've read what some folks have to say on this topic, but I thought I might open it up to the community at large. Personally I find it's very existance a slap in the face to logic and reason. America already test among the lowest in the world, now we're going to give make-believe stories the same credibility as Science?

So, what does anyone else thing on this?

If you are not familiar with this topic, enlighten yourself at these websites:
Creation Museum - Religion - New York Times
Ars takes a field trip: the Creation Museum: Page 1

And, god forbid, the Creation Museum itself Creation Museum - Creation Museum

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I don't believe in creationism but I'd love to go to the museum. My beef with it from what I've read, is that these people are claiming only one "true" method of creationism, rather than many different views. Not every creationist theory thinks that the world was made 6000 years ago, so they shouldn't be putting that up as "a creationist fact". But the idea of a creationist museum done properly doesn't bother me at all.

I love the saddle on the triceratops tho :D

Creationism Museum...that's really too bad.

Creationism doesn't broaden anyone's viewpoints, it gives us the same viewpoint we've always been given wrapped up in a new pseudo-secular package. God created the earth because you can't DISprove him and the world is too complex for there not to be a Christian God. Bull.

Also, anyone who thinks the world is 6,000 years old is seriously delusional. You are abandoning all sense of world history. The history of our world is important.

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Originally Posted by stonedblue

Creationism does not contradict very many things. Evolution is one of the few things it contradicts. We cannot prove that evolution is real. We can not prove that creation is real. So, both do demand a bit of faith making both religion. Is this museum being funded publicly? If it is that is strange because the government does not usually build anything with "religious" views these days. If it is being funded with tax-payer's money, I understand why you are frustrated. I'm am sure the museum will not be telling children stories that have no supporting information.

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see this is the type of brainwashing that bothers me about this whole museum issue and well the christian faith itself. you are right in one thing, we can't prove creationism. however, evolution is a proven theory. it can be duplicated. now whether humans evolved from primates and so forth down the line is up for debate. personally a 99% gene match is good enough proof for me. the point of this is, species can evolve. it doesn't happen over night, it takes generations. but evolution does exist.

Aahhhh I just can't take it.

I was going to try and read all 2 pages, but no way. I have never read or heard so many ignorant comments about creation science in my whole life. If any of you got into a debate with a creationist, your egos would drop like a bomb. You would probably get very mad or feel afraid or intimidated and soon you wouldn't even be able to say anything because you don't even understand what he's saying anymore.

If something is stupid or faulty, fine say it's stupid or faulty. But all I hear is how it's a psuedo science and name calling. No explanations.

When people do that it just plainly shows how ignorant they are.