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Figure also that a watering system will go below the plants. A flood system tray is about 2-2.5' tall to provide room beneath for a res tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by PharmaCan
You really don't want a plant much more than about 3' (1m) tall. That's about the depth limit for foliar penetration of a 1000HPS.
damn, lucky you. :)Quote:
I can actually have 12 plants in veg and 12 in flower cuz I'm growing for my sis too and there's a provision for that in the law. So I'll have 12 plants and just need to decide what will be the most efficient to way to farm them.
12 in flower still is too low a plant count to consider using SoG in the standard fashion. I put twice that many clones into flower in my SoG every 2 weeks. Plants grown in true SoG style only yield about 3/4-1oz per copy, but if you're harvesting 23 every 2 weeks as I do, you make up for the low per-plant yield a bit. ;)
You'll certainly be vegging the plants you intend to flower to make them large enough to raise the per-plant yield to something decent. I suspect you'll either be tying down the mainstems or pruning the growing tips off mainstems themselves in early flowering (perhaps in wk 1-2) to make the plants bush out a bit.
No need for the fluoros. Mother plants will be pruned back regularly, whether you are taking cuttings or just need to shorten the mums to keep them out of the lights until you do need a batch of cuts. When you cut the mums back, the lower branches will grow to fill in the material above them that you have cut off.Quote:
Originally Posted by greentard
How MUCH light you throw at your mothers is dependent upon how often you need batches of cuttings. If you only need 2-3-4-5 cuttings every 3-4-5 weeks, you can run the mums under CFLs or tubular flos. I need to regenerate 10 mums to donate 30 cuts every 2 weeks, so I run a 400HPS 24/0 on them.
LOL - yeah, so that 9' headroom gets eaten up real quick. However, with the amount of space I have and the limits on the number of plants, I think larger plants are the way to go. If I have to devise some supplemental side lighting, so be it.Quote:
Figure also that a watering system will go below the plants. A flood system tray is about 2-2.5' tall to provide room beneath for a res tank.
You really don't want a plant much more than about 3' (1m) tall. That's about the depth limit for foliar penetration of a 1000HPS.
So, figuring an eight-week growing cycle, and two weeks veg, you've got what, five trays? Obviously you have a lot more space than I. I'll have essentially 10'x10' for flowering. I'm figuring approx 2/3 of that space for plants finishing their flowering and 1/3 for plants starting their flowering. That should give me a harvest about every four weeks.Quote:
12 in flower still is too low a plant count to consider using SoG in the standard fashion. I put twice that many clones into flower in my SoG every 2 weeks. Plants grown in true SoG style only yield about 3/4-1oz per copy, but if you're harvesting 23 every 2 weeks as I do, you make up for the low per-plant yield a bit.
I thought I read somewhere that California has a sog provision in the law that goes by the total square footage rather than number of plants. (It was like 6 plants OR 99sq.ft. in a sea of green.) Anyway, I need to check into that.
Yes, larger plants definitely are the way to go for you with the limits you must work with. However, I think you can reduce the effective plant height through pruning or cleverly tying branches down rather than trying to mix HPS & fluoros to deal with the lower branching that is shaded or gets insufficient light because the plants are too tall.Quote:
Originally Posted by PharmaCan
My entire op is 7' tall x 8' wide x 9' long. My 4 flowering trays are 820mm^2 (~2.7'^2) and each hold 23 x 8" dia pots. The mother tray is only 1' x 3'. Because I don't need to veg the clones I'm going to flower, I need no vegging space outside of what is afforded to the mums. You, on the other hand, are going to need some space both to veg mums and also to veg up the plants you're going to flower. You can probably do your vegging in that very fine cabinet you recently built. They won't be very large at that point and won't need a lot of space. The plants will continue to grow vegetatively a bit for the first 3-4 weeks of 12/12 but stop gaining height and then start to bulk up with buds after then.Quote:
So, figuring an eight-week growing cycle, and two weeks veg, you've got what, five trays? Obviously you have a lot more space than I. I'll have essentially 10'x10' for flowering. I'm figuring approx 2/3 of that space for plants finishing their flowering and 1/3 for plants starting their flowering. That should give me a harvest about every four weeks.
It'd be possible for you to obtain a harvest every 2 weeks as I do, but you're going to have plants in veg for a week or two elsewhere before they can go into your flowering area. If you're stuck to 12 in flower at any given time, you'll put 3 young'uns in to flower every 2 weeks and harvest 3 mature plants every 2 weeks.
oooh, that'd be good if it works that way. Do let me know how that works out.Quote:
I thought I read somewhere that California has a sog provision in the law that goes by the total square footage rather than number of plants. (It was like 6 plants OR 99sq.ft. in a sea of green.) Anyway, I need to check into that.
Al - The cabinet I just built is exclusively for flowering. The 10' x 10' room will be exclusively for flowering. I've got a small box with cfl's for the mums.
I'll be happy to harvest every 30 days or so. Every two weeks seems so much like... a job.
hmm, ok. I thought the cabinet with the series cooltube was going to be for MHs and vegging, sorry for the confusion.
You're probably going to be vegging each plant to be flowered for about 2 weeks and will have to find some space for them for that period.
Your wish for a monthly harvest means you'll do cuttings once a month; those will take about 10-12 days before they're ready to go under big lights to veg for 2 weeks and then on to the flowering area, where you will be taking out the same number of plants as you put in.
A sample sked could be to take cuttings on the 2nd-3rd day of the month, to be rooted & ready for veg on the 12th-15th, then vegged until the 30th, when they can go in to flower and mature plants can be harvested.
Keep in mind that the harvesting job is the most time intensive and tedious part of the whole gig. I elected to harvest every 2 weeks to break up the job a bit. I initially was harvesting 2 trays at a time 1x/month but manicuring 46 plants and having 46 more to go in at the same time was just too much work in one go.
You'll have fewer rootballs, but there's every reason to think that you will get just as many buds and as much weight as I do. It'll be a very big job once a month.
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Originally Posted by Al B. Fuct
Al - The cabinet with the cool tubes is for vegging - I just sometimes have trouble thinking and typing at the same time so I wrote flowering twice. LOL
I plan to veg in the cab then every month harvest and replace 1/2 the crop, like you were saying.
ah, ok. Clears that up. ;)
heh, I can't wait until your first harvest. If you were at all worried about growing a bit of dope turning into something like a job, your fears are gonna be confirmed- in spades. :D You're doing about as big an op as one person can handle and still have a life outside the grow. Once everything is running, the daily maint only takes about 15 mins tops, but come cloning and manicuring time, you're gonna be one hard-working stoner.
Everyone should have such troubles, though. ;)