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Personally I don't believe in God. But why hassle people who do. Everyone has different beliefs, and faith works for a lot of people. The only thing about religion that bothers me is when other people try to push their beliefs on me. So I don't push my beliefs on others.
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Originally Posted by xTsUnAmI
i agree with that, why force people to think and believe like you do? that's asinine and contrary to most religious teachings!
Because believing in something because you were told to, without having evidence is bad. I hope you wouldn't jump off a cliff because I told you it isn't a cliff, for instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by xTsUnAmI
Religion is dangerous people, and I think I don't need to mention any recent events, as everyone still remembers.
Now I know some of you will bring up the point that religious people help the poor and starving, help with charity and all that. These facts cannot be denied, of course. But if you think about it, you don't need to be religious to want to help other people..
Understandable, but if I was wrong on something and a friend of mine knew it, I would appreciate if he pointed it out to me. I believe it's a moral obligation we have to raise the consciousness of other human beings. If they don't want to be assisted that's fine, and of course, as you say, people are entitled to have their beliefs. But why believe without evidence ? I have a few religious friends and I can clearly see how believing impacts their life negatively. When you believe Jesus is about to come back and apocalypse is near, and that you'll be in heaven for eternity, you're bound to not care that much about this one life.. If instead you *know* this is your only shot, and that being alive is so improbable yet we're here to talk about it, once you think about that you'll start living life to it's fullest..Quote:
Originally Posted by xTsUnAmI
Now the following is a bit off topic, but it's an excellent read so I'll drop the link here:
RichardDawkins.net - The Official Richard Dawkins Website
Are we blind? Look around. What do wee see? Wisdom. From the clouds above, to the rain falling and watering the ground causing the seed to sprout and grow until harvest to feed man. Life reveals wisdom. How can one deny wisdom in the Earth? The harvest is coming.
Look around and learn. Everything comes from seed. Just as your weed plant comes from itself, so do we. What makes you think we evolved from something else? What did your weed plant evolve from? What did apes evolve from? Everything comes from seed. Did we collect bones of a half ape half man to prove mans' evolution? Or did we evolve from apes overnight? Do we have proof that weed evolved from something else? Evolution is a fairy tale. Change is not evolution. A man plants seed in woman and brings child. The child grows and matures. This is not evolution. This is wisdom. How does science prove evolution? I think science points out that things have changed but can't predict what and when evolution takes place.
What did the sun evolve from? And the Earth, how did it get into it's place? What does science tell us about this? Did the heavens evolve or were they always there? These Coors Lights are bringing out the questions in me. :stoned:
Pretty much, yes. I don't believe that we are islands of consciousness in an unconscious universe. All consciousness is, if you really think about it, is resonance. When we experience the 'outside' world, what we're really experiencing is the reflection of it in our minds. When we think about the world, we are reflecting on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by darth stoner
All energy reacts to other energy and resonates with information. Of course, the resonance of the human brain is much more complex than that of, say, a rock, because a brain has the power to retain information for longer periods of time, to draw out the resonations... not unlike how echoes are drawn out in music to make melodeous sounds.
One can say that the collective consciousness of the universe is god. It really is a matter of perspective. As Einstein himself said:
"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."
Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
Evolution is about biological organisms, not planets and stars. There are various theories that attempt to explain the things you mention in your last paragraph, and even tho we still don't know some of then (and so many more), how does that even prooves that there is a god above it all ?
How does science proves evolution ?
Antibiotic resistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
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"Causes
Schematic representation of how antibiotic resistance evolves via natural selection. The top section represents a population of bacteria before exposure to an antibiotic. The middle section shows the population directly after exposure, the phase in which selection took place. The last section shows the distribution of resistance in a new generation of bacteria. The legend indicates the resistance levels of individuals.
Antibiotic resistance is a consequence of evolution via natural selection or programmed evolution. The antibiotic action is an environmental pressure; those bacteria which have a mutation allowing them to survive will live on to reproduce. They will then pass this trait to their offspring, which will be a fully resistant generation."
The way you talk about evolution only shows how badly informed you are about it. Will you also contest the above quote ? Because the same people that worked to figure that out also worked to give you vaccines, and they do work. So they must surely know something about the subject, or vaccines would be a fiasco.
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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
"The closest living relatives of Homo sapiens are the two species of chimpanzee: the Bonobo (Pan paniscus) and the Common Chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes). The two species are equally close (they share the same common ancestor), the main difference between them is the social organization: matriarchal for the Bonobo and patriarchal for the Common Chimpanzee.[6] Full genome sequencing resulted in the conclusion that "after 6.5 [million] years of separate evolution, the differences between bonobo/chimpanzee and human are just 10 times greater than those between two unrelated people and 10 times less than those between rats and mice". In fact, 98.4% of the DNA sequence is identical between the two Pan species and human.[6][7][8][9]"
This might be hard for you to believe, here's the full article:
Human - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Please, take the time to read it.
Origin of life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
Doesn't hold all the answers, but again, that doesn't mean there is a god to account for the bits we couldn't figure out yet. It only means our knowledge is partial, but by no means do we need a god to make sense of the available scientific data.
Some more (quite) interesting reads:
Timeline of evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ancestor's_Tale
History of Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
And again, evolution by natural selection refers to biological organisms, not stars and planets.. there are other models available to explain the formation of these.
Just because science cannot explain some things, it doesn't mean there is a god. It only means we couldn't grasp that particular problem yet. We will someday. Perhaps we won't be able to solve some of them. But that only shows a limitation in our intellect, it doesn't mean there is a god.
I hope you can make sense of all the information provided, I know it's a lot of it especially if you didn't know we already knew these things.. it's not fiction or fairy tales, there is so many evidence available to support all the above that I would take forever to even attempt to organize it. Wikipedia is an excellent start to know more about this stuff, I also recommend the following sites to keep up to date:
Learn More at Space.com. From Satellites to Stars, NASA information, Astronomy, the Sun and the Planets, we have your information here.
LiveScience.com:
PhysOrg.com: latest science and technology news
RichardDawkins.net
We live in the 21st century, it's about time we embrace scientific knowledge and stop believing in myths that were created in the dawn of civilization. We simply know better today man. I hope to live to the day that we conquer space and cheat death itself. Only science will make that possible, not ancient myths.
little correction, I meant anti*biotics* and not *vaccines* on the above post. 6AM post :)
Prove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by darth stoner
Take a loaded gun, unlock it, point it at your unshielded head and shoot. You can believe me, it won't kill you. Have faith in me.
If you believe this just because I told you, you're dead. (you had faith)
If you don't, you're alive. (you reasoned it wasn't such a good idea)
That's why.
Sorry, but cant resist. People who say they dont believe in God just appear as retarded cowering idiots..its like they use shitloads of energy trying to prove that it does'nt exist...why are you trying to prove somthing that you already believe to be false to other people? It is because somewhere deep under your desparate ego there is the part of you that is God and all you can do is run from it, build more barriers to give you a false sence of security, and you will do this for the rest of your life..it is sad. I know for a fact God is real, because God is everything God is every bird, every leaf, every bug, it is your spit, your tears, every single thing is God. Now ur going to question how I know... I have had divine experiences which I cannot explain, but it has givin me 100% factual evidence that God is real. Those that don't or cant believe in God are just pussys, they have a need to be right all the time..a need to explain everything, they fear stepping into the unknown. Sorry, but everything you know is wrong and you are just a waste of space until you step towards God.
You will be given the same tests over and over and over again in life until you change direction, if that day never comes..then sorry about the shitty life.
"Where there is no fear, there is faith" -Kiowa